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I finely managed to log on to the "new" Forums I guess I'm PC challenged :p It is great to see all the awesome bucks growing this year!!! I still like the typicals the most Hear is a 2YO that I wanted to share it is Rod's He wrecked is right side first thing and ripped his brow tine off his left early also he still managed to grow a bit What do you think ??
 

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Yes I forgot to include the genetic info on that 2YO:p  We call him Babymaker. He is a Crown Maker son!  Crown Maker is Maxbo Hardcore over Red 97-Red 97 is Poncho over Wilmer Martin's Red 16. He is out of a Powerball doe so he has Red 16 top and bottom in his pedigree. I cropped a couple of these crappy phone pics so they might look a little better.
 

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Kurt

I love the photograph of the KingPin son. The sunshine and the dark timber in the background together with the beautiful buck make an awesome picture. That picture reminds me of the woods when I am on my deer stand. If only there were bucks like that. Lol Very cool!
 
This is a High Noon 2 year old we have. He has some extras but has a huge frame with long beems.
 

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My very 1st yearlings... 2 out of Hitman/Maxbo Dominater and 1 out of Bossman/New Image
 

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Surely this ain't all the typicals we got! Where they at let's see them
This is probably it!!! It's sad to say not to many people growing typicals anymore their is so much junk in the deers pedigree and you can thank Maxbo for that...
 
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This is probably it!!! It's sad to say not to many people growing typicals anymore their is so much junk in the deers pedigree and you can thank Maxbo for that...


You must really be out of touch with deer breeding if you believe that!
 
Here's some of ours, mostly typical.
 

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I'm not here to argue but how many typical sons does Maxbo have? Almost every farm across the country has Maxbo in their deer... I'm just stating a quote from a well known breeder... Yes I must be out of touch I know nothing about deer breeding... :)
 
I don't think it is any ONE line that has produced non-typicals.


I think that we make a lot of assuptions as breeders.  Just because a womb brother looks a certain way does not mean the genetics of the doe is the same as what is on the brothers head. And this is where culling your herd comes in to play.  If the doe does not produce what you want then move her on.


Many times you will see twin bucks that one is non-typical and one is typical.  Then we assume that the typical with throw typicals, when in fact they may throw a lot of non-typical and vice versa.  Revenue is a good example of this-he throws almost all typical and is more non-typical himself, especially on paper.


Bell has talked many times about discipline and predictatility and that is staying with your sole typical lines so that  know what you will produce, almost always typical.    
 
RyanM84968251409663619



I'm not here to argue but how many typical sons does Maxbo have? Almost every farm across the country has Maxbo in their deer... I'm just stating a quote from a well known breeder... Yes I must be out of touch I know nothing about deer breeding... :)




Ryan,


  I know you have not been around this industry to long and this is not to say that you are not educated about whitetails but you just have no idea what you are talking about. First off almost every deer will throw some non typical traits. Second I have visited Cougar Ridge and seen pens full with big, mostly typical sons straight from the loins of Maxbo.


 


Also have you not bred with multiple great grandsons of the "junk throwing" Maxbo?
 
I don't want to stray off topic...but here are a few I have saved on my computer that are comparable to the "typicals" we are posting on this thread. I haven't even touched texas. Being that Maxbo is one of the (if not the) most bred buck our industry has ever had, he is going to have a variety of sons. He has been put on a couple does that have created sons, that have gone on to create some of the trashiest deer in the industry...that's on the doe, not maxbo IMO. (It would be interesting to start a new thread on this topic including daughters, granddaughters etc.)
 

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If you haven't read randy barks article about getting out the hacksaw, you should. That puts it about as simple as it gets in evaluating what you breed to. Saw off all the extras and what kind of frame do you have left??? You might have a 4x4 that you are breeding to in all reality once you saw off all the extras!
 
The wild deer reflect the results of typical disciplined breeding. Which is why they are called typical. Natural variations(non-typicals) will happen once in a while no matter how we breed. This allows for a buck of almost everyone's taste to happen. Sometimes it's harder to find a person that will shoot a certain type buck. It is evident by the stocker buck prices Rick recently posted which kind clients are most likely to want to hunt. Antler traits are very heritable. Such as a row of points that starts at the base of the front of the pedicels then follows up the front of the G-1 and as the buck ages becomes more prominent. A bigger or much higher scoring unbalanced side is also heritable along with every other antler trait which show more with age. Typical disciplined bucks start typical and stay true to those characteristics until they began to decline. Look closely at a bucks womb brothers and pay even closer attention to a bucks typical antler consistency as it ages. We will never breed a one year typical fluke or a buck whose womb brother is twisted up. In my opinion there is no predictability in that method.
 

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