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Adult bucks with diarrhea and lost a yearling... HEEEELLLPPP!

Joined May 2014
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NY
Alittle back story... I "acquired" two adult bucks (7 years and 4 years) from a bad situation. Poor nutrition(they were being fed corn and apples), lack of worming protocol, etc... It was an emergency situation so they were transferred in (up to date on TB testing) and quarantined. They came in with diarrhea  and terrible bristle coats. They were being kept in a marshy area with clay for soil and farm fowl (chickens, etc). While they were down for transport they were given an injection of ivomec plus and oral panacur as well as baytril. They had a lot of matter in their eyes and nose and swelling along the jaw in addition to labored breathing after waking from sedation. I was able to get them thru that.  Well, who knew that they would bust THROUGH (peeled it back like a sardine can) the chain link fence to get in with the rest of the herd. GAH!

Fast forward over a month.... I am STILL battling diarrhea with them and have lost a yearling (from the same location) which broke with mucousy diarrhea , then bloody diarrhea then death within 10 days. Findings upon necropsy were : pneumonia, lesions on the liver (NOT TB) , and ruptured intestines as well as a lobe of the liver that was so infested with thread-like worms that it was dead. (Remember that this came from the same location as the other adult bucks)

I was able to segregate some of the herd but they kept working the fence so it seemed like an expensive effort in futility to keep them completely quarantined. So, within the few that are with them they have passed the diarrhea around. With my deer , if I catch the diarrhea within 24 hours of when it starts and treat with an injection of baytril and an injection of C&D antitoxin they are right as rain. But I'll be darned if I cant clear the two older bucks of the diarrhea. Even the vets are stumped!

Here is the run down: Original fecal test showed - liver flukes, lung worm, coccidia . They were treated and now have negative fecals.

matter in the eyes has cleared (mostly)

Respiratory signs have cleared (no more labored breathing or coughing)

What they have been treated with- wormers - Albendazole, ivomec +,  corid, metronidazole, panacur

Antibiotics - Baytril (only one that seems to make a difference), neomycin, primor (sulpha drug), pen G, tetracycline

They have also gotten- banamine, meloxicam ( anti-inflammatory), c&d antitoxin, tagament, probiotics , electrolyes,

Diet - hay (timothy / alfalfa ) , purina pellets, small amount of corn, browse, calf mana and I have offered hay stretcher for fiber but have discontinued that.

There may be more that Im missing... Im a bit frazzled.


The ONLY thing that seems to help is the c&d antitoxin and baytril daily. And that only gets me from complete unpredictable projectile water poops, to pudding plops , not normal pellets. Ive tried pulling them off of everything for 24 hours to see if that helped and I ended up back to square one!

They eat well, body condition is ok (other than the coat and the younger bucks hooves are EXTREMELY over grown, but I associate that with liver damage), they are growing racks and the older buck now trots alittle. The one with the over grown hooves looks the worst, he has been persistently "frizzed" since he came.

Im spending about 16 hours a day on these deer,and waaayy too much $$$. Im looking for suggestions....I feel like Im beating my head against the wall. Fawn season is coming and I MUST get this figured out before then!

Please help before I go completely over the edge!!! lol




 
 
Since you have thrown the "book" at them I am wondering if these animals are suffering from acidosis caused from an all corn diet like you mentioned. I would try some corrid in their water because coccidia can be tough to get rid of, especially if avian are present. These may or may not show up on fecals either. Another possible issue could be Giardia, which is hardly ever looked for in fecal samples unless specified. Giardia can be killed off with a safeguard regiment. If you would like to talk over the phone give me a call 608-669-6185. Ryan
 
Thank you for the reply Ryan! Ive thrown the entire library at them! lol

 They were on Corrid for 10 days and metronidazole (treats giardia) for 10 days as well. Im going to recheck a fecal today, once I can catch a fresh sample. Poor guys are getting pretty shy about pooping now, since Im always watching them. :wacko:
 
From my experience there really isn't a treatment for it. Animals will get better (have pellets) and then as hormones change or stress increases the wet pattys return. The best success I have had is to place the animals on a Tylan and panacur treatment. Tylan tightens the gut up and panacur is a dewormer, so if your fecals are negative maybe just use the Tylan. We use a soybean treat feed to add the tylan into the diet, its a powder and is easily concealed! Hope I am helping a little!
 
aaahhh!! Wonderful! So, you use the tylan powder? (not the injectable) And what dose do you use?
 
the dose I have is 10mg/kg (for sheep and goats) .. do you know if the injectable can be used orally?
 
Valbazen ASAP! Follow directions on the bottle. The adult liver flukes may have been killed but not the young ones. You have to do segments to kill them all!!! I would load them up with fiber. Dry hay!!! No corn what so ever! They sound like they have 9 lives after all they have been through. Valbazen will do wonders fri them boyz! Good Luck!!
 
Thank you Four Seasons.Yes! I do believe they are part feline! Every day I go out expecting to see them down. The older guy went down the first week and I was able to get an IV in and give him fluide but he rebounded quickly and has made it very difficult to get meds in him since. :mellow:

 They have been dosed with Valbazen (albendazole) ,but only once so far approx. 10 days ago.Should I Redose even with a neg fecal?

. I will stop the little corn they are getting. They have fresh hay (all they want) .
 
My bad. I missed that one!! I believe I would treat them again but know its about getting their gut back healthy. Shock effect products or any really their gut has to bees shed up at this point. Get it in their water and maybe top dress some pellets mixed with a little oil of some kind to get it to stick to the pellets!
 
Yes I use the powder, I am not sure of the injectable usages myself. I do use the goat dosage as well!
 
Agree with Ry-O & Mike cut almost all the grain. DigestaMax4 made by Vigortone is a great product for digestive health. It is a high quality product made for the dairy industry so it is sold at a much more sensible price than similar products marketed for deer. It is possible in the poor environment they were in they could have eaten synthetic baling strings, shade clothe, etc. and could have blockages. Have any of your deer caught the root beer fountain symptoms? The bloody scours generally indicates coccidiosis. Besides running corrid in the water temporarily you may also add deccox continually in their feed. I assume you would have said if the one necropsied with the ruptured bowel had a foreign object inside like baling string? EHD also can permanently make a deer's rumen not function properly and they will always have diarrhea no matter what you do. Does the one with long toes have rings or ridges around its hooves? I would also try worming them with Long Range. This is an example of why we don't offer live breedings and very rarely buy a new deer and bring it to our farm. We generally outcross our bloodlines by AI.

Good luck
 
Thank you all!! I have tried to reply from my phone a few times and apparently it didn't go thru. Grr

Anyway, we will see if this works.... <_<

So, to answer your questions: Yes, they have been treated for coccidian and fecal was once again neg. 

The necropsy did not show any foreign bodies.  As far as the hooves they don't appear to have any rings or ridges. I can post a picture soon though. As soon as he is healthy enough I will sedate him and trim them but right now he is not stable enough .

I have them some tylan powder with a;itt;e oil snf they ALMOST ate it all.


***Just a side note**** Tylan injectable CAN be given orally. but it tastes TERRIBLE!! :blink:


I gave them the tylan yesterday and they aren't any worse so I guess that it good :)  (Im learning to celebrate the small victories) LOL
 
The ridges are usually there if they had EHD which could have stopped their rumen from functioning properly. That's why I ask about the ridges or rings. You explained your problem very well. I hope the Tylan helps!