Anyone know whats wrong with this deer's ears? (pictures)

I had FOUR DVMs try to diagnose my dog this summer after she collapsed on me and regurgitated her food for one week. 3 out of 4 thought she had an infected uterus. 1 Vet, a 74-yr old from TX who was working part-time here in IL just for something to do (and to maintain his license), told me honey, I palpatated (felt, touched, etc) her uterus and ovaries, and she didn't even sigh- she does not have pyometra (or an inflammation)- I would NOT operate on her. We need to run some more tests, I wouldn't operate. I went with the majority opinion, had her operated on, the Vet tech (22 yr veteran) told me my dog did not have an infected uterus (which was removed). Somehow, little my toy poodle managed to survive all of the torture and huuuuge scaring and bruising, to be later diagnosed by an Internal specialist ($1,700) as having Megaesophagus and Myasthenia Gravis. Had I not spent $2,500 needlessly on the wrong surgeries, I would've had more available cash to treat the autoimmune disorder in California at the top clinic for neurological disease in the US. NO VET THAT I HAVE SEEN FULLY UNDERSTANDS CANINE AUTOIMMUNE DISORDERS. NOT EVEN THE SPECIALISTS HERE IN IL.



When I need treatment for my doggie, I go on the Megaesophagus and Myasthenia Gravis boards (Yahoo) for canines (and even humans) and try to get the "dog people" who have dogs with disease to give me guidance based on their own personal experience.



HOW DID I KNOW TO DO THIS? BECAUSE YOU DEER FARMERS SAVED MY DEER'S LIFE WHEN SHE HAD A FRACTURED TIBIA. I am indebted to you all for saving my Rosa-doe and sincerely, deeply respect you all.



For the person with a kind heart wanting to help the wild deer--- PLEASE GO GET SOME IVERMECTIN POUR-ON FROM TRAILER SUPPLY (TSC) OR SIMILAR AGRICULTURAL FEED STORE, AND POUR IT ON SOME GRAIN FEED (CORN OAT BARLEY) ON A DAY WHEN YOU DON'T EXPECT RAIN--- AND ALL OF THE WILD DEER IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE BETTER OFF FOR IT. THEIR EXISTING PARASITES/WORMS WILL DIE, THEY WILL GAIN MORE WEIGHT THIS WINTER AND THEY WILL BE STRONGER AND HEALTHIER FOR BREEDING SEASON. DON'T USE VALBAZEN. USE THE BEST--- IVERMECTIN OR CYDECTIN.



HUG OUT TO ALL MY DEER FARMER FRIENDS, and good night.

I contacted a vet because I thought that would be the only way I could obtain the medication, I didn't think it was something I could just walk into a store and buy.



There is a local Tractor Supply Co. near me and I was just looking at the prices. Money is really tight right now and I can't afford to buy the pour-on kind to treat them all.



This apple flavored gel looks like it would be the best deal.



http://www.tractorsupply.com/durvet-reg-ivermectin-paste-1-87-6-08-g-5144639



Would this be the correct product to use and how much should I give to the deer? It says it treats up to a 1250 pound horse. This deer/fawn is probably less than 80 pounds. Would it be a one time treatment or is it necessary/safe to repeat after a certain period of time?





Edit: Does anyone know if Ivermectin will even get rid of the parasite if it's ticks or mites? The product description seems like its for all internal parasites.

Apple flavored Durvet® Ivermectin Paste provides effective control of large strongyles, small strongyles, pinworms, ascarids, hairworms, large-mouth stomach worms, bots, lungworms, and intestinal threadworms.

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The Ivomec brand does mention "sucking and biting lice, and sacoptic mange mites".

If you truly want to help this deer pour on wormer in their feed truly is the first step you should take. It is also probly the only thing you will be able to do without having to put this animal down. Contact who ever you want but the sooner yoy help the sooner he will heal. If you don.t like this avenue then call game wardens and they will give it a lead pill.

This one will help, I believe.



http://www.tractorsupply.com/ivomec-reg-ivermectin-pour-on-for-cattle-250-ml-2207454



The paste you linked, although well-priced will treat one horse if you place it directly in his mouth.



Deer farmers know best, but I used the Ivermectin (gave my girl a shot, and followed up a month later - subcutaneously).



WITH THE $37 BOTTLE OF IVERMECTIN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TREAT A LOT OF DEER. I AM NOT SURE HOW MUCH FEED/GRAIN YOU SHOULD TREAT WITH POUR-ON IVERMECTIN, BECAUSE I HAVE ADMINISTERED AN INJECTION OF IT ONLY. CYDECTIN IS GREAT, BUT DIFFICULT TO BUY OTC (I THINK). Good luck and may the holidays be merry for you and your wild deer.

Alltracturbo question=Does anyone know if Ivermectin will even get rid of the parasite if it's ticks or mites? The product description seems like its for all internal parasites.



The ivermic pour on will only kill external parasites that are sucking blood or fluid for about three weeks. Taken oral it will kill most internal parasites and should still get ticks and mites as they feed or drink.

ARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH! This deer has infectious dermatitous caused by mites! Use pour on Ivermectin ONLY. With a syringe, place 5cc down the back of its neck to its withers. Do this now, don't wait. If you cannoot do this immediately, shoot the deer so it cannot transmit the infection to other deer! Nuf Said!



Jack, to answer your question, Ivermectin, Cydectin, etc. are absorbed into the host animal's blood. Therefore, blood feeding parasites are affected, as well as mites and fleas which get their hydration from the animal's eyes and nostrils.

Lanasvet said:

WITH THE $37 BOTTLE OF IVERMECTIN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TREAT A LOT OF DEER. I AM NOT SURE HOW MUCH FEED/GRAIN YOU SHOULD TREAT WITH POUR-ON IVERMECTIN, BECAUSE I HAVE ADMINISTERED AN INJECTION OF IT ONLY.

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If I understand you correctly, your saying to put the pour-on kind on feed for the deer to eat. Reading the description, it is meant to be applied topically to the deer, not to feed.

[url=http://www.tractorsupply.com/ivomec-reg-ivermectin-pour-on-for-cattle-250-ml-2207454]Pour-On Ivomec[/url] said:

The product should be applied topically along the backline in a narrow strip extending from the withers to the tailhead

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Would it be safe to pour this kind onto feed? I would imagine since it is meant to be applied topically it would taste horrible and the deer wouldn't eat it. Also, there would be no way to controll the dose, how do you know how much feed the deer ate if your putting it out for them all to eat. Couldn't they overdose on it?

Scott Heinrich said:

ARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH! This deer has infectious dermatitous caused by mites! Use pour on Ivermectin ONLY. With a syringe, place 5cc down the back of its neck to its withers. Do this now, don't wait. If you cannoot do this immediately, shoot the deer so it cannot transmit the infection to other deer! Nuf Said!

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It's a wild deer and will walk somewhat close, but there's no way it would let me put my hand over its head or touch it.



If I lived on more property without neighbors, it wouldn't be as big of a deal to catch it to treat and release it or to even shoot it, but I live in NY and we have some stupid laws here. You can get 15 days in jail in NY just for giving a deer an apple.

Scott Heinrich said:

Jack, to answer your question, Ivermectin, Cydectin, etc. are absorbed into the host animal's blood. Therefore, blood feeding parasites are affected, as well as mites and fleas which get their hydration from the animal's eyes and nostrils.

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Why do you say to "Use pour on Ivermectin ONLY"? If the Ivermectin is absorbed into the blood and will kill the mites it should work the same way whether it's given topical or oral, right? I can't use the topical method and i'm not going to shoot it, so I can either give it the oral dose or call the DEC. I would imagine it would just take longer to work if taken orally, is this correct?



Is it that dangerous to other deer if not treated right away? I have pictures of this deer from 2 moths ago and it looks like it already had the problem then. I don't know much about deer and didn't realise there was a problem untill I saw the deer up close about 2 weeks ago. I've seen other deer licking this deers face on more than one occasion. If it spreads easily, they probably all have mites by now.

I take some feed put it out with some molasses on it so they get used to it. Then I take the same feed put the pour on on it mix the feed with molasses and they will eat it. I h ave had no problems doing it this way. Never had one overdose on it either and I always give them more than recomended to make sure it does the job. This is just how I do it not telling you how to do it.

1. Scott heinrich is the man



2. Virgil has a ton of deer experience



3. Do not allow paranoia to get the best of you for goodness sake, and please let's end this thread already.

I do not think Roberts post was being paranoid at all. It is good sound advice. the best way to handle the problem is to call the game commission and let them handle the problem just as Robert said.

I wonder if Rudolf the Reindeer and his pals will be safe this holiday season? Heck, Rudolf might have a few ticks on him from all that travel, and some law-abiding citizen might call the dnr on him...

That was a real grown up response..............lanasvet I get the feeling you may favor the very people we are battling all the time.....that would be the animal rights activists........don't get me wrong.......I love my Whitetails very much and treat them with the up most respect.......but I also follow the laws......whether I like the out come or not!! This deer is very sick and I am certain in a lot of discomfort........leaving it go to infect the entire herd it is traveling with would be a travesty.

Virgil, have you ever seen a spray bottle or a kids water pistol? Think man think!

I didn't realise this would stir up so much controversy. I was just curious and wanted to know what it was and what I could do. I got the answers I was looking for and made up my mind on what to do.



The DEC has an email address listed where I can send info and pictures of "an animal that appears to be diseased". I'll contact them that way and let them deal with it from here.



I have no further interest in this thread. The rest of you can continue to argue if you want, but i'm guessing neither side will convince the other side to change what they believe is the correct solution.



Thanks to everyone who posted in this thread. I don't agree with one side more than the other, you all helped.

You know it is pretty sad that these threads alwas seem to turn into an argument one way or the other.....I am just as much to blame......we all need to think twice before we post anymore and try to avoid these stupid confrontations!! lanasvet I should not have said what I did in my post.....you have a love for the whitetail and I know you just don't want to see them hurting. I just hope that the animal is taken care of one way or the other as it has to be miserable.

Alltracturbo--- you suck.



Dennis- I'm just a girl with a doe, I'm really not an activist of any kind. I am a democrat though, I don't like handguns, and when I hear the hunters shots each weekend- I get chills up my spine (just like my doe).



I have resided and worked in a foreign country involved in a decade-long civil war, so you might understand why I'm a pacifist. I wish I were active, but alas, I'm a bit lazy I guess. Please, you have no reason to distrust my intentions here. I am who I say that I am.

Scott Heinrich said:

Virgil, have you ever seen a spray bottle or a kids water pistol? Think man think!

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If we could only get the pour on wormer inside a paint ball. I think it just might work.

Allen, Take a paint ball, insert an 18ga needle, suck out the paint, take 4.2 cc of Ivermectin pour on and inject it slowly back into the paint ball, Then take some super glue and seal the hole. It works great, but stings the hell out of the deer if you have the power too high on your paint gun.

Scott, Sounds good to me. I was hoping some one had tried it already. I know I will, now that I have the recipe. Thanks

ddwhitetails said:

I do not think Roberts post was being paranoid at all. It is good sound advice. the best way to handle the problem is to call the game commission and let them handle the problem just as Robert said.

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THEY WILL COME IN AND FINE YOU THEN SHOOT /KILL YOUR DEER , YA NICE GO AND CALL THEM ,