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Better breeding?

Joined May 2009
685 Posts | 0+
Northwest Illinois
The below questions are proposed in the realm of averages and not to any extremes. I know there are exceptions to every rule so please let's stay away from the extreme end of the spectrum when answering. Thank You.

If I have a proven doe and I breed her with a buck that is better (average better) than anything known in their lineage am I wise to assume that their daughters will be better than the original mothers. Or is it that once you find a proven mother it can be difficult to duplicate her or better her with one better (average better) breeding.

The reason I ask is because it is now time this fall to weed the garden. I need to get rid of some does.

To sum my questions are this: Am I going to win more times than not to kill the original proven mother and keep her offspring of the better sire than she has in her lineage?

I realize theoretically and gentically I should win more times than not; but will I?

What I meam by "average better" above is that I'm not talking about adding 100 inches to the bloodline by the given sire, just significantly better than what they have produced themselves in the past.
 
I found that my best doe always throws nice bucks she is proven to me so wouldn't get rid of her. I have 2 of her Daughters old enough to finaly prove themselves and one throws average buck so far and the oher seems to be better than her mother. So with my experiance if you have a proven doe keep her unless price is rite her daghter is not going to be better until she proves herself pedigree may say different but i have seen a lot of junk with so called good pedigrees. So i would wait til you see what her daughters are producing before getting rid of mama. Just my opinion sure others think differently.
 
Thanks Virgil, that makes sense and is what I suspected to be true. I too have found out that my best does always throw good bucks. I have heard people say a doe is 60% of it, I believe a doe is much more than 60%. My dilema is that I don't have the convenience (space) to wait for a daughter to prove herself, so I must act this fall with some decisions. Did your doe get bred with something better than what you know to be in her lineage?

Mark
 
I bred mother and her two daugters to the same buck and wich he was only average. One daugther produced average the mother and other daugther produced better than average bred to a average buck. This year I am going to put really good semen in my best does and see what they produce. I guess what i am trying to say is it takes a while to find a proven doe in your own heard so why get rid of her once you figure out she is a proven power doe. It cost a lot of money to by a proven doe. You can by a doe with good genes that is not proven but she may not be as good as genes say she is. So once you have a proven doe better hang on to her until you get another one that proves herself.
 
a good doe will stay on our farm a long time, I take age out of the equation when culling, production is the important thing . An average doe will have to age four to prove herself, If her buck fawns aren't showing anything at two and she is rated lower than # 30 on the farm....time to go. some deer after they prove themselves but the breeding I want is just not there are used to raise shooters but are not in the AI program anymore. to give you an idea of how it looks on our farm we started with tag Yellow 1 ten fawning's ago the does fawing this year are

Yellow 1 (wife's pet) Yellow12, Yellow14, Yellow15, Yellow16, Yellow17, Yellow20, Yellow21, Yellow25, Yellow28, Yellow34, Yellow 44, Yellow 45, Yellow46, Yellow 47, Yellow 48, Yellow 49, Yellow 50, Yellow 51, Yellow 52, Yellow 53, Yellow 54, Yellow 58, Yellow 59, Yellow 64,

As you can see the lower numbers are gone so are most of the 20's & 30's my herd has prospered by removing the lower animals, have I made a few mistakes...yes and no culling a doe and then having her son score 215@5 up from 160@4 ...I'm sure her daughters will do better but having that doe for another ten years producing at least one buck like him every year...I could live with that.