Border opening?

Maybe eventually, but don't think it's happening anytime soon. I've heard rumors in the past, but there's never been anything to substantiate those claims.

I also heard this.Jan 1 open, only what i heard! Today. Dc

Heard the same thing a couple of days ago, sure hope so

Hate to break the news, but they are not opening the Texas borders anytime soon.

I came out in a Texas based newspaper. I will try to look it up...............

I'll side with Steve on this one. Too many breeders don't want it to open...NOT me. It would be great if it did, tho'.

this must be the Texas version of Obamma's sell to everyone buy american. If trade is not recriprical it is neither free or fair

Texas Parks & Wildlife is not our biggest supporter first of all, and they are not going to risk bringing CWD into the state. So far we've never had a case here and that will be there biggest argument. Not to mention that before the borders were closed a lot of people tried to bring full northern deer into Texas like it was a land rush and most of them couldn't survive in this climate. A lot of people lost their butt doing this. Opening the borders gets talked about every year, but I'm telling you it's not in the near future. Don't shoot the messenger

The boarder closed can not only be a CWD thing for they let Elk and Fallow in. Elk have had CWD. They are only keeping it closed for their benefit! Just my thoughts JIM

I know your on target, Steve. I am honest enough to admit if my longevity depended on contraversial issues I would approach this subject from a different angle. Most Texas breeders are "Texas breeders".... ' have heard of scoundrels (deed breeders) here but have NEVER met one. But I look back 8 years and what I learned is nothing new to me. People are people. I will never blame a man for protecting his investments. 'not saying I approve of one's methodology for their accumulation of wealth. It does remind me of the public opinion when Kansas limited non-resident hunters to a much lesser number. With years beyond then what impact can be factually substanciated? I haven't learned to end my remarks as does our friend Curtis Lloyd!! God Bless you, Curtis.

It seems as though the CWD argument gets less believable as each year passes. With farms that have been testing for 7+ years it is hard to say these pose a risk. At what point is a farm certified CWD free such as a TB certified farm? Even the most pessimistic view of CWD states it can incubate for upto 8 years. So this reason becomes less sustainable as time goes on.

Do Texas breeders test 100% of animals lost in breeding operations? I have heard they do not. If this is true, then it doesn't sound like they are even looking for it! Someone set me straight if I have received bad info!

For some of the reasons stated above already by Jim, WRW, and James, it is so obvious that CWD is the "excuse" for keeping borders closed. But we all know the real reason. $ChaChing$



Separation for ones own greed, versus unity for everyone's survival.

If you look or test for CWD you will find it and then over react because it is now a naturallly occuring dissease in our one north american ecosystem



If you don't look or test for CWD then you will never find it and continue on your merry way with your head stuck in your .....sand. Gee if you don't want to get cancer you should never test for it.

Simonson said:

The boarder closed can not only be a CWD thing for they let Elk and Fallow in. Elk have had CWD. They are only keeping it closed for their benefit! Just my thoughts JIM

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I'm not real sure how this is benefiting them If you think TPWD wants to see the deer business thrive in Texas, think again. They could care less, and don't think Elk and other animals aren't on the watch list too.

James - we are required to test 20% of our reportable deaths (meaning fawns don't count), so 1 in 5 adult losses gets submitted for CWD testing - regardless of why it died. If you watch a deer hit the fence and break its neck, or have a dog get in your pen, or any number of other situations, if it is your 5th death within the reporting period, you still have to submit it.

Elk get CWD... sheep get scrapie( same thing) this disease passes easily from species to species

Robbie,



We also watch our deer break there necks in fences, and get killed during rut, or just fall over dead after running them through the shoot TB testing, but we have to test 100% of our animals.



Just reading the posts above, I'm guessing there isn't many or any farms in Texas that are on the CWD monitoring program and test 100% of there animals. Even if they did open the borders, who would buy their deer that aren't on the monitoring program and loose your statis.

Robbie said:

James - we are required to test 20% of our reportable deaths (meaning fawns don't count), so 1 in 5 adult losses gets submitted for CWD testing - regardless of why it died. If you watch a deer hit the fence and break its neck, or have a dog get in your pen, or any number of other situations, if it is your 5th death within the reporting period, you still have to submit it.

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Wow! You have to test 20% of the deaths in TX.



I found those numbers soooo interesting so I just hung the phone up with our state Ag Dept. I called to get the very latest info on this topic.

Here is what the state of WI told me a couple minutes ago.



Any whitetail that dies for ANY reason that is 16 months of age or older must be tested for CWD.

As to the animals that are not tested, the rule it is called the 10% rule.

Every farm MUST test at least 90% of ALL deaths, and ALL escapes.

In other words if you have say 10 animals 16 months or older that die (for whatever reason) in one years time, you have to test at least 9 of those 10 animals. The state also has the provision that if an animal escapes it is to be included in the total.

So if you have 1 escape and 9 deaths (for whatever reason. slaughter, hunter kills, dogs, or they hit the fence) that totals 10 animals. But ALL 9 deaths must have been tested because the 1 escape was not tested. If all 9 deaths were tested you still have tested 90% and have accomplished the 10% rule.



Here is where it gets strange.

If you had say 9 deaths and 1 escape, but of the 9 deaths 1 animal couldn't be tested because it was found in the hot sun and was too decomposed to test any longer, you now have 2 untested animals. So you have to kill 1 animal to make up for one of those that was not tested. This gets you back to the 10% rule.



Or let's forget the escape scenario if that throws anyone off.



Let's say you had 10 deaths in 1 years time. And let's say only 6 of those 10 were tested. And 4 of the 10 weren't because maybe they weren't found in time to get a viable sample from them for testing. You now have only tested 60% for the year. So you have to kill at least 3 more animals and have them tested to get you back to 90% tested. That is the 10% failed to test rule here in WI.



I mentioned to him that TX only tests 20% that are not fawns. He said, "Oh my. Well they don't want to find it."



Now don't misinterpret what is being said above. We are required to test 100% of all deer 16 months or older. But the 10% is in place to protect us if we can't get every deer tested because of escape, or a decomposed body.