Buying from auctions whats the answer?

I'm not sure what the answer is but I do think we as consumers need to be very wise and knowledgable when spending our hard earned dollars at auctions. Just being in the Whitetail auction world for a couple years now I've learned about all the slick twists and turns that go on at the auctions......I feel now that alot of theses auctions are hitting well over the 1 million dollar mark in sales its time to crack down on the greedy unfair consigners out there that are only in this business to make a buck and not worry how they make it. Here is a for instance....I purchased a very nice doe this past fall from the PA Doe Extravaganza sale......she was to be lap aied to Maxbo (The biggest reason Im purchased her) and backed -up to his breeder buck. I don't believe she took with the lap AI and i;m not even certain she took at all she is very thin....but here is my point. (first off I am happy with my purchase and I am not acusing this person of doing anything wrong i actually feel he was very honest with me....the situation just got me to thinking about this) With that said let me continue.....I could have purchased her with the mindset she was being lap aied to Maxbo......this gentleman had it advertised this way at the auction.....now you get a dishonest person he knows putting the Lap aied to maxbo in there is going to bring the price up on his doe.....but he never has to lap ai her he can simple tell me she didn't take to the ai and she will be bred to the back-up. Like I said how do you stop this stuff from happeneing....i realize there can't be a gaurantee as you could have the honest guy that did use the Maxbo semen and the ai truthfully didn't take........there should be a way that you can be guaranteed and it can be proven that the deer was aied to the buck that it was promised it was to be aied to. we all know that there are no guarantees with ai....but atleast you would know the ai did take place........heck this is just one way someone can get over on u........geez

the answer is buy from the source and with a contract that spell everything out.

I'm not sure how you could do something about that. At the Chupp's breeder auction, there were consignments that included choice fawns that were guaranteed to DNA back to said buck. But I don't think you could have a bred doe guarantee.

Good point, you posted while i was typing. I know, I'm slow

Dennis what I did was bought deer that without any fawns were worth What I paid.

I bought doe that was stacked top and bottom.And thought what would I pay for her ...Than if I wanted the AI I thought what am I willing to gamble $2000. for a maxbo either hell yeah and add it or pass.

I wish there was guarantees in life but I would use my somewhere else in life...well maybe a few in deer

most sellers in todays auctions are guranteeing a fawn or fawns from the AI buck or part of your money back, if she has fawns out of the backup buck. Or they may offer a choice fawn out of another breeding to the same buck and you still get the original doe.



The purchase of deer thru auctions is getting better all the time in my opinion, but I still try to purchase through breeders that I either know or have had a good report on

When we sell something in an auction or off the farm we guarantee that you will get what you paid for or you get 100% of your money back... simple as that! I sold choice fawn out of 3 does that I AI'd last year and here were the terms. Buyer paid 10% down at the sale, fawns were guaranteed to DNA back to the sire of your choice. If the choice you made didn't take to AI you had basically 3 options... 1. you can choose to watch the back-up buck grow out and have a fawn from him at a discounted rate, 2. you can choose another fawn from the other offered breedings, or 3. you can get 100% of your money back.

With a bred doe it really shouldn't be much different.

I honestly wouln't buy from someone that didn't guarantee both DNA and that I'm getting what I paid for.

Yeah all your points are great.....Like i said i am happy with my purchase she is a Duramax daughter and I got her for a good price had she aied to maxbo it would have been a steal.....so i am not upset with the purchase at all just made me think a little ......probably should have done that thinking sooner rather than later.....oh well We just all need to be on our toes.........and if the deal sounds almost to good to be true....it probably is!

When we A I'd our vet gave us a list of does (their #s) and what semen was put in each doe. Why not ask the seller for a copy of their list. If she is on the list then there is a good chance she was bred. Check the dates of the A I ing and what vet did the work. I'm sure the vet would answer your questions about the doe you bought. We give all the info. on our does to whom ever buys them. Nothing to hide.

Hey Dennis, you mentioned some guys in it to make a buck! That's me! I hope to make maybe five or six when fawns drop! It's my first crop of fawns born on farm. Yea!... I know what you meant! I just saw a cheap laugh and no one hit it out of the park yet.



Good suggestions on DNA backed guarentee/warranty. I think if I was selling breed stock I would have to warrant what I was selling so I would probably offer something like what has been suggested. I wouldn't someone coming out to the farm and giving me the "kick the tires" look instead of the doe. (meaning I would want their decision to hinge on his/her opinion of doe/buck rather than best guess of my virtually unknown reputation.)



If lap AI was in question I wonder if vet keeps record of who gets AI'd when he does it. That may be an authenticity method.

Michael, we were two typing, I mean simul-spelling, I mean coupled conversating, Ahhh.. you know what I mean!



You took the words right out of my thoughts!

That is why we would never offer a bred doe for sale that was AI'd. We offer bred does that have been bred to our bucks so we know for sure who the father is. Some of these deals are just too complicated and go on for years. We do not want to be doing a deal that will take years. We are selling what we say. We have backed up bred does by saying if they don't have anything we will give you a straw of semen from the buck she was attempted to be bred to. To us that is a clean straightforward deal.

You have to have a little trust on both sides...It can work or not work each way... if I sell a doe as AI'd am I going to come and dna each fawn on your property...and then every deer farmer you know...or have delt with to make sure you didn't get AI'd fawn...It could go on forever...

Me personally, if I were to bid on an AI'd doe, I never bid higher than I would pay for that doe bred to the cover buck. I know some people will guarantee AI babies or 15% refund, but If I would only pay $5000 for the doe bred to the cover buck then I would only bid up to $5750. Sure you could gamble and go up to $7 or $8000 but that's all it is, a gamble. My experience with gambling is the house always wins I shocked how much people bid up these AI'd does! For me and my money, I'll stick to the guranteed DNA'd fawns or guaranteed bred does. I've just heard too many stories about guys putting an AI'd doe in a auction and then selling 9 other deer AI'd to that same buck when they only had 1 straw of semen out of him. Can you split a straw 10 ways? Not that everybody is dishonest, but it helps if you know the person you're buying from.

just a note on something ive done in the past.....

Im thinking this could become an industry standard aslo...

I asked for a signed contract from person who performed the AI procedure... Worked out great. only question in mind anymore is "is the vet or technician honest"?

We have to build our trust in this industry somwhere.. So we either trust all or we pick and choose carefully who we buy from.....

Wow you dug this one out of the closet!! lol..Great point and i bought a great doe this year from dakota whitetails and i found out before the sale that jim has the AI vet sign off on each doe they breed with the important info such as doe tag#, date,semen used and how the doe looked when she was breed. The buyer gets a copy of that when you pick up your doe. I know there are no guarntees when it comes to AI but it sures feels alot better knowing that the farmer is atleast going to those extreams to try and show an honest deal. Either way it is a much bigger piece of mind when you know who you are dealing with.. For Sure!! IMHO..

If you buy deer from us they will be live bred - we aren't selling AI'd does - so we can guarantee anything we sell. We will be selling a few does that were bred to Ballisitic - live bred. Also, we may be selling some of our foundation Jack the ripper does - try to find those anywhere else! They have produced some of the best deer we have. Not sure yet where we will sell these - probably off the farm - auctions are too skewed.

I'm afraid to tell you but i belive the tide has changed, Auctions are now cheaper than off the farm and breeders are offering better deals than ever before, some with gurantees,



If you are worried about buying from a dishonest breeder than do not make that purchase regardless of it being sold at auction or off the farm.....



We also only live bred this year with 2 of our breeders Troubadour and Boeing.....

Auctions better take a step way way back and start excepting all the good genetic deer no matter wher or what farm they are from...or they wil be out of a job........and it is about time.........a deer is a deer is a deer no matter where it is from.......genetics should speak for themselves...."a lot of new guys have invested a lot in their future and they should be able to see a return on that investment........the tides are changing and it is long over due!!!