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So i had to set a few CWD deer farm believers straight today and this is what i found  Now can you tell me how a lawyer could not beat this in court?


 


 
(40,40,40); So here is what they say the state rules are and what they live by.
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(40,40,40); ;margin:0pxCould reintroduced elk transmit diseases to domestic livestock and native wildlife?
(56,56,54); ;15px;background-(243,240,231)Livestock and wildlife health is critically important to us. We are working very closely with the Missouri Department of Agriculture and State Veterinarian on stringent animal-health protocols to prevent the importation of diseased elk. Our disease protocols for elk restoration are more stringent than any existing disease protocols for livestock or privately imported elk and deer.
(56,56,54); ;15px;background-(243,240,231)We are also working with other states that have successfully restored elk and have used what they have learned to develop our elk restoration plan that is based on research and sound science by wildlife experts.
(56,56,54); ;15px;background-(243,240,231)According the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, no elk reintroduction program in which the RMEF has participated has resulted in spreading disease. We will be working with the RMEF on our elk restoration to southeast Missouri.
(56,56,54); ;15px;background-(243,240,231)As is the case with all wild and domestic animals, elk can serve as hosts for a variety of diseases and parasites. The potential for disease has been minimized in other states where elk restoration has occurred by following strict health protocols and guidelines. As a result, no disease transmission from reintroduced elk to livestock or wildlife has been reported or documented.
(56,56,54); ;15px;background-(243,240,231)Since 2000, there has been significant progress made in our understanding of chronic wasting disease (CWD), including a live-animal test for elk. Our extensive animal health protocols include testing all elk for chronic wasting disease.
(56,56,54); ;15px;background-(243,240,231)Elk relocated into Missouri for the purposes of the elk restoration originate from a CWD-free state and from herds with a history of health surveillance and no evidence of health issues. Imported elk are tested for CWD, brucellosis, blue tongue, anaplasmosis, epizootic hemorrhagic disease, vesicular stomatitis, Johne's disease and bovine tuberculosis prior to shipment to Missouri.
(56,56,54); ;15px;background-(243,240,231)The Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services states that there is no evidence that CWD can infect people. The Missouri Department of Agriculture states that current research shows there is no evidence that CWD can spread from infected deer or elk to livestock, such as sheep or cattle
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(56,56,54); ;15px;background-(243,240,231)And now this is what they say about a deer farm or ranch in that state.
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margin-left:60px; ;(51,51,51)Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon last week dealt a blow to the deer breeding and fenced hunting industry in what's being called a bellwether case in the national debate over how to regulate a practice linked to the spread of disease.
margin-left:60px; ;(51,51,51)Nixon vetoed legislation that would have transferred oversight of the state's deer breeders from wildlife officials to Missouri's agriculture department.
margin-left:60px; ;(51,51,51)"White-tailed deer are wildlife, and they are also a game animal," Nixon wrote in his veto message. "Putting them behind a fence does not change that fact."
margin-left:60px; ;(51,51,51)That's the same argument made by Indiana wildlife officials who tried to shut down the state's high-fence hunting operations a decade ago. And it's expected to be part of the debate when Indiana lawmakers convene a summer study session on the subject in the coming weeks.
margin-left:60px; ;(51,51,51)Wildlife advocates and deer breeders across the country — including those running Indiana's 400 deer farms — have been watching the battle play out in Missouri. Operators of fenced-hunting ranches want to be regulated by agricultural officials to avoid tighter rules proposed by wildlife agencies.
margin-left:60px; ;(51,51,51)Many state wildlife agencies are concerned about the risk of spreading disease, especially the always fatal deer ailment known as chronic wasting disease, as deer are shipped across state lines to be killed in the private preserves.
margin-left:60px; ;(51,51,51)Those risks were ­uncovered this spring in an Indianapolis Star investigation that some wildlife researchers called the most comprehensive examination of the issues surrounding deer farming and high-fence hunting to date.
margin-left:60px; ;(51,51,51)Chronic wasting disease, a brain disorder similar to mad cow, has been found in wild and farmed deer in 22 states. The Star's investigation revealed that in half of those states, CWD was found first in a commercial deer operation. There is no live test for the disease, and wildlife officials across the country say escapes are common.
margin-left:60px; ;(51,51,51)Because of such risks, 21 states have banned the importation of captive deer, saying they have been known to infect wild herds. Six members of Congress, citing The Star's investigation, urged federal agricultural officials to ban the interstate movement of captive deer, saying a national industry, which breeds bucks with large antlers to be shot in "canned" hunts, isn't worth the disease risks.
margin-left:60px; ;(51,51,51)In Indiana, Senate President Pro Tempore David Long called for a study session, saying he would be willing to consider closing the state's borders to deer imports. The session could start between the end of July and September.
margin-left:60px; ;(51,51,51)In the wake of Nixon's veto, wildlife advocates are waiting to see how the industry reacts and how aggressively it will push Missouri lawmakers to override it. They're also waiting to see if the industry's hiring of a public relations firm known for fighting tobacco bans, animal rights activists and fast-food calorie labels will be able to shape the debate, both in Missouri and in other states, including Indiana
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margin-left:60px; ;(51,51,51)Where is this live test for Elk behind fence???
 
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Really..That it?  WE sit and ***** that we are being taken advantage of but do nothing about it!  The state above put it right in black and white that the have a live test to test their Elk coming into that state. And the their next breath is that we want to close our borders to out of state deer because of no way to live test for CWD.


 


Are you telling me we have nothing to fight with in that state alone? I mean its right there in black and white for all to see.  Even a Judge!
 
This was brought up to all of our Senators and Reps. That is how we almost got transferred to the MDA. Unfortunately the MDC had to many friends at the Capitol. It will be brought in front of a judge. The lawsuit is in progress.
 
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This was brought up to all of our Senators and Reps. That is how we almost got transferred to the MDA. Unfortunately the MDC had to many friends at the Capitol. It will be brought in front of a judge. The lawsuit is in progress.




Man i just dont see how any judge could not see the two faced ways going on. I mean when its printed right there for all to see, showing the double standards. They have been doing successful CWD test for years now they say.  They know what is coming down when we get our live test approved and im sure that scares the hell out of them!
 
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Really..That it?  WE sit and ***** that we are being taken advantage of but do nothing about it!  The state above put it right in black and white that the have a live test to test their Elk coming into that state. And the their next breath is that we want to close our borders to out of state deer because of no way to live test for CWD.


 


Are you telling me we have nothing to fight with in that state alone? I mean its right there in black and white for all to see.  Even a Judge!




Your preaching to the choir here.  I hollered this for over 2 years.  You already know what my thoughts are.  


When you have our National leaders not want to "stir the pot", we have a problem.  


Mike, the last time we had a linked Assoc. meeting was, I believe in July of 2013.  I have asked for one, and 9 months later, still none.  


We have no General membership meeting discussion at our annual convention, no new business, no old business. 


We virtually, as states and members, have NO input at the National level.


We have no platform, to voice our opinions, or have out concerns heard. 


Every time we voice our concerns, I'm told we are just bitching, and we don't represent the views of the national members.
 
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Your preaching to the choir here.  I hollered this for over 2 years.  You already know what my thoughts are.  


When you have our National leaders not want to "stir the pot", we have a problem.  


Mike, the last time we had a linked Assoc. meeting was, I believe in July of 2013.  I have asked for one, and 9 months later, still none.  


We have no General membership meeting discussion at our annual convention, no new business, no old business. 


We virtually, as states and members, have NO input at the National level.


We have no platform, to voice our opinions, or have out concerns heard. 


Every time we voice our concerns, I'm told we are just bitching, and we don't represent the views of the national members.




Yes then it very well may be time to break out. I cant believe we cant win that battle in court when the states says right in public that they are testing THEIR elk for CWD with no problems but the farmers in that same state cant test THEIR elk or deer with the same test and of course.....The Same Negitive Test Results!


 


I have to say that i have also lost alot of my thoughts on the National Level... Seems like ya dont hear to much on any progress or what the next battle will be.  We sure cant win in our little state when a state like above has all that free ammo to use against that state yet its not even being used.
 
Mike. I really do feel your frustration.  I brought this up also, and always get shot down.  You really need to sit down with our E.D. and have a heart-to-heart with him.
 
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Mike. I really do feel your frustration.  I brought this up also, and always get shot down.  You really need to sit down with our E.D. and have a heart-to-heart with him.




I have to be honest.. I did not see this until i was looking for info to shut a few critic's up,up here.  If our state would have written those words..That they can live test our animals but you farmers can not...We would not have closed borders right now.


 I really hope the email i just recieved from NADEFA showing that the lawsuit has began and a lawyer that is well versed with the industry is leading the charge, really holds true. I cant see how a lawyer could not paint that picture for any judge. This case very well could be the one that turns things around and truths being shown!
 
Keep in mind, we are also regulated by the USDA. The live test is not approved by them, but the MDC answers to no one. They make their own rules.
 

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