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Captive Hunts in the News

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Found this on our local news internet site.:( They are still watching :(







'Captive hunts' stir controversy, legislation

By Judy Keen, USA TODAYUpdated 21h 27m ago Comments 325 Reprints & PermissionsOn his farm near Pierceton, Ind., Ken McIntosh raises corn, soybeans, alfalfa, cattle — and deer.



"I try to raise my animals and I sell them to the marketplace," says McIntosh, 53, a retired professional fisherman.



The way some of those transactions are conducted is sparking national debate among hunters, conservationists, politicians and animal rights groups. McIntosh operates a 189-acre hunting preserve, enclosed by 8-foot fences, where clients pay to shoot, mostly with a bow, deer and sometimes elk and buffalo.



McIntosh, who also has 8,000 acres for free-range hunting, doesn't guarantee that his customers will kill an animal. He also tests his deer's health and won't allow bottle-fed animals to be hunted. His business, Midwest Woodlots, benefits the state and helps the local economy, he says.



Opponents of the practice, including the Humane Society of the United States, call it captive or canned hunting. Twenty-six states have full or partial bans on captive hunting of mammals. The Humane Society says the USA has about 1,000 captive-hunting facilities, half in Texas.



"Captive hunting for both native wildlife and exotic wildlife should be illegal," says the Humane Society's Casey Pheiffer. A recent undercover investigation found captive-hunting facilities that sedated animals and lured them to waiting shooters, she says.



"These hunting preserves are on marginal land" and allow people "to make a living" Niceley says. "The overfed bureaucrats won't let them."



McIntosh says bad facilities unfairly taint the industry. "If something is being done that shouldn't be done, let's resolve it," he says, "but let's not put people out of business."



Efforts to limit the practice



U.S. Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., this year introduced a bill that would bar the interstate transport of exotic animals for the purpose of killing them for entertainment or trophies. The bill, which hasn't been scheduled for a hearing, also would ban the interstate movement of equipment for computer-assisted remote hunting, in which online users aim and fire a mechanized weapon.



Killing animals in a preserve or via the Internet "is just the last thing that a true hunter would do," Cohen says.



Pheiffer says there's been "a major push" to expand the industry this year, though most bills were not enacted.



Opponents cite fairness issue



Opponents say hunting preserves violate the "fair chase" concept. "Did the animal have a fair chance to escape?" asks Keith Balfourd of the Boone and Crocket Club, a conservation group founded by Theodore Roosevelt.



"They're not hunts, they're shoots," he says, "and the club denounces that activity."



Ryan Giannini, owner of Highland Hideaway Hunting in Riverside, Iowa, stocks his 1,500-acre preserve with pheasant and chukar, another game bird.



He releases birds into areas that are to be hunted and makes sure his land is hospitable, he says, but "once they're released, after a couple days they might be somewhere else." His preserve, says Giannini, 29, is an ideal place for youngsters to learn to hunt and for adults to work with hunting dogs.



Critics, he says, "think it's like shooting fish in a barrel," so he often invites them to hunt in his preserve. "We do get the handful that are totally against it for their own reasons and beliefs," he says. "Sometimes you just can't change their mind."



Last year in Maine, state Rep. Alan Casavant, a Democrat, introduced a bill to ban all captive hunting.



Casavant's legislation was defeated and he decided not to try again this year. "Especially in northern areas of the state, there's not much up there in terms of jobs," he says. "If people have to subsist by doing that, I'm not going to mess with it."



In the legislatures

Sample of legislative action on hunting preserves:







Georgia: A measure that would have legalized captive hunting of exotic species, including endangered species, died.





Indiana: Legislation that would have legalized captive hunting died. A court challenge to a 2005 ruling banning the facilities is pending.





Iowa: A bill to legalize the captive hunting of wild boars died.





Michigan: A ban on captive hunting of exotic swine takes effect in October unless the legislature enacts rules enabling officials to track the animals' health.





Mississippi: A bill allowing the regulation of private deer breeding farms died.





New York: The legislature is considering a bill that would regulate and protect captive hunts.





Tennessee: Legislation that would have overturned a policy phasing out most captive hunts did not come to a vote.



Republican state Rep. Frank Niceley failed to win passage of a bill that would have legalized white-tail deer farming.



West Virginia: A bill that would have shifted control of deer farms to the Agriculture Department died.
 
My gut hurts after reading this, even with the few victories listed. These left-wingers are really scaring me! They'll feed the rest of the world, but not with animals!
 
I'll never understand why these people gave a rat's you know what about what people are doing on their private land! We are shooting animals which is the most humane way they can die. Much better than being taken down by a coyote or wolf or bear -or maybe starving to death! Apparently they are just jealous that we have found a way to make money and have fun at the same time! If this was such an abhorrent thing - no one would hunt there. These people need to get a life!
 
Maybe we should just make a bill up and try to make high fence hunts a legal humane method of harvesting these animals. God knows if it's not humane for our animals then low fence wild deer hunting isn't humane either. In other words we would make an legal alternative method of humane slaughter for deer and elk which is exactly what we are doing on high fence harvest facilities. High fence hunting is more of a humane death for deer and elk than taking these animals to be slaughtered like cattle. Any slaughter of any animals in their pens is the least stressful and most humane death of that animal used for food. Any person with any knowledge of animal care knows that. Lets just stop calling it hunting and call it harvesting with humane hunting methods used.



The plus side is we stop pissing off the hunting community with our term of hunting. Just call it harvesting.



We have a real sound reason to harvest the animal in the manor we use with killing these animals on our harvesting ranches which is the humane harvesting of deer and elk. We should capitalizes on this fact.



We need the public to know the reason we harvest our animals with what is called an on farm harvest. The reason is it is the only legal way to sell an animal raised for food to the public without USDA inspection. It is done this way for the same reason as cattle or pigs or sheep when killed on the farm as it allows the person buying the animal the right to harvest that animal for food without excess government involvement.



This is a fight with the people with the agenda to close down our industry and they know if we lose our ability to harvest these animals the entire industry will just go away without any compensation for a takings by the State. We need to change the direction our industry has taken as we shouldn't try to justify fair chase, shooting fish in a barrel, canned hunts etc. We should be making our own laws to allow harvesting on private property. These terms are just used to inflame the public and they are working and we are losing the fight. The industry should be looking for laws that prove we are doing our harvesting in legal ways with the most humane methods of harvesting allowed for deer and elk. We should be making laws that allow our industry to grow into a real business. If we continue to fight the agenda driven people in the way we have this industry will fail. There is a saying that if you continue to do the same thing without a positive outcome your nuts. I think after eleven years of just responding to these critics this industry should change direction and do it now.
 
I will bet there are hundreds of thousands of cattle, sheep, pigs shot on the farm and in their pens every year to make it legal to harvest these animals on the farm for food. Where is the cry for fair chase, ability to escape, legislation to stop or manage this type of farm harvest activity for domestic animals. I see none because it would be ridiculous and it's the same thing we are doing with deer and elk. Our world is made up with people who are just plain ridiculous but have learned how to use the system while the rest of us have worked our asses off to provide for our family. Every where you look some jerk is telling you what you can and can't do. Every day we lose more personal rights and property rights from these people with their hand in our back pocket. 48% of these people are on or work for our government. This is the type of people that want to tell everyone else how to live. I say Get the heck out of my business and let me make a living for my family with work I love and the rest of you 48% people just keep sucking up the scraps. Hows that for political correct? I have to go and work as this is ruining my day. Sorry for the rant.
 
This is why it is so important to show and give support to your state and national organizations. These organizations fight battles every day for our rights to keep deer on our farms and our industry intact. We often fight amongst ourselves and blame these organizations on the turn in the market or not stepping up to defend our lively hood when called out.These fights can be costly and the anties have millions of dollars from people who give blindly to there cos. But yet we still have deer farmers not showing support to there own organizations because they cant move deer or other petty stuff of years past! The Truth is that if this goes down, it will be these organizations leading the charge. Uniting nation wide as we seen in North Dakota last year. They need our money and support now more than ever. I incurage you all to get involved as much as you can. Attend a meeting! Donate! To rephrase a famous quote here from JFK " Ask not what your Organization can do for you But what YOU can do For Your Organization" They cant do it alone! In the end we will all need each other differences or not!!!
 
In Montana I have seen the loss of our deer and elk industry in one day due to government interference and misinformed public. Our harvest facility was in compliance but what we did on Nov 7th 2000 was no longer legal on Nov 8th 2000 due to the public vote to stop harvesting the deer and elk behind an eight foot fence. This should scare the hell out of all deer and elk producers because that is what the agenda driven people used to kill the deer and elk industry in Montana. One Federal law stopping the harvesting of deer and elk could put this whole industry out of business and we would all be raising pets. Matthew is right if you don't use your money and your support to defend this industry you all will be like we are in Montana which is raising pets.
 
The reason they are coming after hunting preserves and not the cattle, chicken or pig industry is because they tried and lost. Too many people like their KFC, hamburgers and bacon and holiday hams. We are the smallest of the mammal killing industry. If they win with us, what's next? Each little win gives them a boost to go after something else. Look at the fur trade. They and the hunters have been fighting for a long time, but they got smart and have the NRA, but let there be no mistake, the anti hunters are winning, just look at the dwindling numbers of hunters. I don't like "canned" hunts they way they represent them on TV, like an animal is in a 12ft by 12ft pen. I wouldnt mind if there were a few laws put on hunting preserves like a minimum acerage and records kept as to the animals and where they go and stuff like that. But to outright ban it is ludicrist.