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Cougar in the Deer Pen

Interesting....Dr. Klein took over the CWD program for USDA on June 21, 2012 and prior to that she worked for US Fish and Wildlife from 1995-2001. This could explain why the wildlife agencies were given a free pass in the 2012 federal rules to move wild cervids across state lines (in the preceding proposed federal rules, wildlife agencies had to follow the same protocol as the cervid industry).

Here is a quote from the 2012 rules: We are amending Sec. 81.4 to remove the requirement for documentation of the captured wild animals' Certified status in the CWD program. Here is another important change to the 2012 document....Based on comments on the March 2009 proposed rule, we are

removing an exemption in the July 2006 final rule under which Certified

herds were not required to make animals that were sent for slaughter or

killed on shooter operations available for testing.



The cervid industry gets more testing and the wildlife agencies get less testing after a former Fish & Wildlife employee takes over the federal CWD program....all makes sense now doesn't it.
 
I think you meant to write, she accepted her position in July 2010 and made the changes to the rule in 2012? Since the USAHA conference I keep asking why wildlife gets a seat at the table? Wildlife being exempt and allowed to have input in our regulations?



I find it hard to believe that spending more money to go to Washington is going to get me anywhere. Goverment always wins because they can afford to and because they write the rules.
 
Rhonda Brakke said:
I think you meant to write, she accepted her position in July 2010 and made the changes to the rule in 2012? Since the USAHA conference I keep asking why wildlife gets a seat at the table? Wildlife being exempt and allowed to have input in our regulations?



I find it hard to believe that spending more money to go to Washington is going to get me anywhere. Goverment always wins because they can afford to and because they write the rules.
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I do not believe, No i know!! Changing the federal rule is not going to change Ny's stance on things. I spoke with Albany again this week and was told that the state would shy away from doing business with a state that just goes by the lowest form of the federal rule. They do agree that some changes could be done and the Dr i always talk with believes some of what is going on in Iowa is wrong but he also warned, After we spoke of the rewriting of some of the federal rules....Becareful of what we wish for... If there were no federal rule at all, He says that the states can and will make any rules above the federal rule as they wish. He see's no relief of monies to any farmers of any state if they end up with CWD on their farm but he also said that he does not see Ny doing what Iowa is as far as a CWD positive farm being able to either take those deer and either harvest them at that farm or move them to another hunting ranch but testing would still be required!
 
Glad to hear, Mike, movement is key to your compensation. But please remember in our case, it is our property we want to move our animals to and has already been exposed to CWD. With that, does everyone have a hunting preserve in their state exposed to CWD and willing to accept CWD exposed animals?



It's great to keep the communication with ur state vet and keep coming up with ideas for movement. That will be your saving grace.



Don't forget the land. The other producer here in Iowa had to remove 2" topsoil and his land is quarantined for five years without compensation. He is required to maintain his fence as well.



These are factual statements, people.
 
Lets not forget to take a look at TB and Burc movement. This disease does effect humans and other livestock and still allowed movement!!
 
If there were no federal rule at all, He says that the states can and will make any rules above the federal rule as they wish. He see's no relief of monies to any farmers of any state if they end up with CWD on their farm but he also said that he does not see Ny doing what Iowa is as far as a CWD positive farm being able to either take those deer and either harvest them at that farm or move them to another hunting ranch but testing would still be required!

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Four Season Whitetails

Mike & Angie Kerry

Evans Mills, NY 13637



With the federal rule states can make any rules above the federal rule. Remember the Federal Rule is only the minimum.
 
Dr. Klein seems to be a bird specialist...in wildlife terms thats like hiring a carpenter to fix your plumbing.
 
G O Whitetails said:
If there were no federal rule at all, He says that the states can and will make any rules above the federal rule as they wish. He see's no relief of monies to any farmers of any state if they end up with CWD on their farm but he also said that he does not see Ny doing what Iowa is as far as a CWD positive farm being able to either take those deer and either harvest them at that farm or move them to another hunting ranch but testing would still be required!

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Four Season Whitetails

Mike & Angie Kerry

Evans Mills, NY 13637



With the federal rule states can make any rules above the federal rule. Remember the Federal Rule is only the minimum.
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Yes and with the DEC'S stance of....CWD not comin to town on my watch..outlook they do not want to do business with states that take the federal rule at its least.



Rhonda they tell me that with the composted untested deer, They see it as low risk because they do not move it very far in the state before spreading so i guess they would be ok with a farm just spreading their 2 inches of topsoil just up the road! Yeah Right! lol
 
Four Seasons Whitetails said:
Yes and with the DEC'S stance of....CWD not comin to town on my watch..outlook they do not want to do business with states that take the federal rule at its least.



Rhonda they tell me that with the composted untested deer, They see it as low risk because they do not move it very far in the state before spreading so i guess they would be ok with a farm just spreading their 2 inches of topsoil just up the road! Yeah Right! lol
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Actually, Mike, it is required that you dig a hole and bury the dirt. Again, no compensation, you pay for all the testing, disposal and clean-up. Tom is getting the particulars from Doc today.



While this only happens if you sign a HERD PLAN, but WITHOUT a herd Plan you are stuck feeding a herd of deer without income.



Can you all afford to keep feeding with no income or are you going to have to sign a herd agreement simply because you can't afford to continue feeding and pay for lawyers to fight the government?



Kinda like the "voluntary" program wording, but actually force you to be a part of the "voluntary" program for interstate commerce.



Wooo . . . hang on for this ride.
 
In my case i did have whitetails for over 10 years with a class B permit. Meaning..No Sales.

They had to leave the property dead. I was never in any testing programs either. I just love whitetails and will always raise them. Money or not! But hobby and business are two different things. He did not agree with what your state is doing to you guys. He stands for the stop of the spread of CWD but he says you guys could have been treated different and the state still could have gotten what they needed as far as testing and such.
 
We concur. If the state would have worked with our first, middle and last proposal, we could have moved our deer destroyed them all with compensation and there would not be any CWD exposed animals behind fence in Iowa.



But that did not and will not happen here, no thanks to the wildlife bottle fed, CWD regulating cougar in our deer pen.
 
Rhonda Brakke said:
We concur. If the state would have worked with our first, middle and last proposal, we could have moved our deer destroyed them all with compensation and there would not be any CWD exposed animals behind fence in Iowa.



But that did not and will not happen here, no thanks to the wildlife bottle fed, CWD regulating cougar in our deer pen.
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Now is this not the same women that said she did not care if they cut the federal rule altogether?
 
And yes, I was told she said we could cut the whole standards, but I had to leave before she spoke unfortunately.
 
Yes Mike that is correct. I was there when she made that remark at the Convention. Gary Olsen asked if the wildlife agencies would be held to the same Standards as us. Her Response...... Wildlife Agencies were exempt from the CWD Standards.
 

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