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Scott Heinrich said:
I am beginning to support the idea of the pathogen vector for EHD not being only the midge. We know from samples that saliva and urine contain the virus, but during the last 3 days with all the rain and wind from Issac, I had 3 more deer come down with it. I doubt seriously if a midge was airborne during this weather event so the only way these deer could have been infected was contact with some of the other deer already sick in the pen. Gonna do a little more research and see what I come up with. What are yall's thoughts. I am aware of the research being done by LSU regarding this theory.



Any cattle in your area or any cattle trucks or maybe veggie trucks come through you area? Probably hard to find out on the trucks but i bet they are on those cattle when they get moved from cattle yards and shipped across country.
 
The origin of the midges is from several possible places. Cattle, other deer farms within a few miles of me, LSU's research facility only 4 miles from my farm and numerous areas in the surrounding countryside that are suitable for midge development. Of course I suspect the original infection was from a midge, but the subsequent infextions during Hurricane Issac need to be vetted as to their vector. I'm working on it. Will let you know what (if anything) I uncover.
 
Scott Heinrich said:
I am beginning to support the idea of the pathogen vector for EHD not being only the midge. We know from samples that saliva and urine contain the virus, but during the last 3 days with all the rain and wind from Issac, I had 3 more deer come down with it. I doubt seriously if a midge was airborne during this weather event so the only way these deer could have been infected was contact with some of the other deer already sick in the pen. Gonna do a little more research and see what I come up with. What are yall's thoughts. I am aware of the research being done by LSU regarding this theory.



Scott, I was told by a local vet that the fly can bite the deer up to 14 day's before the virus will show up or start to effect the deer. Is there any truth to this or do they just get the bite and sick the next day.
 
From what I have learned, incubation varies with the strain of EHD. It seems to me, EHD-2 incubation is quite short (24-72hrs) My deer have been infected with EHD2 and are in full distress within hours of the first symptoms. That is why it is so hard to save them. They are in advanced distress before you have time to react. Catching thios early is only by luck. I believe had I just treated all the deer in the pen as soon as I saw the first symptom, maybe the outcome would have been better, I did treat EVERYBODY after the 2nd deer came down with it and of those treated only one survived.
 
My vet told me that they may be looking at up to 16 strains of ehd that vary from cronic to acute. I have never had ehd on my farm until August 20th this year. I had 50 deer at that point. We sprayed, vaccinated all the fawns twice and tried various treatments and have come up short saving only a handful. 10 fawns 3 does 1 buck and the frost could be a month away. Time to walk the pens, a task I am starting to dread. Rick
 
Every deer that dies on the farm over the age of 16 months must be tested and at a cost of $90 per deer. Not only do you loose all the infestment in deer they hit you with a $3000 cost to let you know it wasn,t cwd. Rick
 
Buck Skin Call me they have reduced that to 2 head per event in Illinois. With the USDA's Blessing! Greg Mills sent out an e-mail from the state yesterday to confirm it. The burden of proof falls on you and you your vet, but it will be worth it. Just got the ruling this week. The file is to big to attach to this post, but it I had your e-mail i could send it.
 
ILDFA Members, Here are the guidelines from Dr. Ernst on qualifying for the cwd testing exemptions due to the EHD outbreak. Please pass this along to anyone you know that had deer and is not a member or would not get this via e-mail. The emergency rule is also attached on a PDF file to this email.

(File is to big for this forum) I can E-mail It!



CWD Testing Exception for HD Events



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Overview

A requirement of the federal CWD interim final rule is that every qualifying cervid twelve months of age and older that originates from a herd participating in the CWD Herd Certification Program be sampled and tested for CWD at the time of death. In addition, herd owners enrolled in the program are required to report these deaths to the office of the State Animal Health Official (SAHO).

An exception to this requirement can be made by the SAHO in the case of a mass casualty / mortality event such as Hemorrhagic Disease (HD) caused by (Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease Virus (EHDV) or bluetongue virus (BTV). In these events, CWD sample collection can be limited to two (2) animals per event. When only two animals are to be sampled, the sample collector will sample the highest risk animals available for testing. This includes older animals, males preferentially over females, and those animals having any known pre-existing health conditions. In addition to the above, since one cannot predict which animals may die during a HD event, all males 4 years of age and older that die during the event must have samples submitted for testing. All animals 12 month or older that die and are in poor body condition must be sampled regardless of the ongoing HD event. All deaths must continue to be reported even if an HD event is ongoing.



Definitions

EHD Event: AHD event is considered to be ongoing when there is acute, mass morbidity / mortality occurring in a herd during the time of year when biting midges are active and a diagnosis of HD has been made in the herd by the herd veterinarian. The event will be considered to be over 10 days after the first killing frost has occurred since the diagnosis was made.

Diagnosis: A veterinary diagnosis of HD will be considered to be valid if it meets one of the following criteria:

1. The veterinarian has submitted blood samples from one or more animals in the herd and the testing laboratory has confirmed HD infection.

2. The veterinarian or herd owner has submitted one or more animals to a veterinary diagnostic laboratory and the laboratory has made the HD diagnosis.

3. The veterinarian has submitted tissues from a field necropsy to a veterinary diagnostic laboratory and the laboratory has made the HD diagnosis.

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4. The veterinarian has substantial knowledge of HD, has conducted a herd visit, and has made a clinical diagnosis of HD based on knowledge of the disease and presenting clinical signs.

5. The veterinarian has substantial knowledge of HD being present in the practice area and that other herds in the area have been diagnosed with the disease and the clinical signs in the affected herd are consistent with HD.

Procedures to Qualify for Testing Exception

In order for a producer to qualify for the testing exception, the following procedures must be followed:

1. The herd owner must contact the office of the SAHO and report a mass morbidity / mortality occurrence.

2. All deaths and animal identification must be reported to the office of the SAHO.

3. The herd veterinarian must submit in writing verification of the diagnosis of HD and an HD event and the method whereby the diagnosis was made.

4. Any qualifying animal that dies during the HD event and that the death cannot be attributed to HD must be sampled and the sample submitted for testing.

The SAHO may rescind the testing exception if the herd owner and herd veterinarian do not comply with the provisions of the exception or if it is determined that HD is not the cause of the mass morbidity / mortality event.
 
Matt, Missouri did the same type thing.



I have heard reports of possibly 25% of Missouris wild herd may have been lost! But I'm afraid that is a very small comparison of what Mo. deerbreeders have lost!



Sad that CWD still holds the attention of state and federal agencies!
 
Thanks Matt. We have been complaining on the last 20 or so we have submitted. Any chance that they will refund a couple of thousdand of dollars we have already laid out. Rick
 
Scott Heinrich said:
The origin of the midges is from several possible places. Cattle, other deer farms within a few miles of me, LSU's research facility only 4 miles from my farm and numerous areas in the surrounding countryside that are suitable for midge development. Of course I suspect the original infection was from a midge, but the subsequent infextions during Hurricane Issac need to be vetted as to their vector. I'm working on it. Will let you know what (if anything) I uncover.



If cattle or other deer are infected, how long are they "active carriers" of it where they are a threat? I have to assume they eventually are no longer a threat to be carrying the virus and not be a problem?
 
Jens, there is great debate on the length of what you refer to as "active carriers". It is a common belief that animals who survive the disease will have some immunity to it in the future and that they carry a "killed" version of the virus. If this theory is true, it also suggests a vaccine can be produced. It is my experience that the vaccine is virtually ineffective in preventing EHD. In fact, every deer I have buried had been vaccinated for the last 2 years. There is so much about this virus that is unknown. It is a shame that there have been millions of dollars wasted on CWD irradication, and not on the number 1 killer disease of cervids. MHOP
 
I agree with you regarding CWD vs EHD, it's a joke. What I wonder is if you have a carrier animal, is that carrier a threat as long as it is alive, meaning years? Example, if you have carriers present, then have a frost to kill the midges, come the following summer if/when the midges appear again is that area more likely to have an outbreak due to carriers already being present even if none of the midges were previously infected. Or, like stated how vaccines work, once animal survives the disease they only have the killed virus and therefore are no longer considered contagious?
 
Yes Sharkey, Mule deer Blacktail and coues. I have heard it also effects elk, but have never heard of a documented case in elk.
 
Scott Heinrich said:
Yes Sharkey, Mule deer Blacktail and coues. I have heard it also effects elk, but have never heard of a documented case in elk.



So far is it only effecting Odocoileus?



Could the elk have presented with bluetounge,they're similar in the way they present & easily mistaken?

The red deer/elk do become infected from hemorraghic disease (MCF,BTV) but not present symptoms of infection from EHD to my limited knowledge & don't seem to suffer the large die backs from the other viruses like you're seeing with EHD in Odocoileus.We have found EHD down here when we've tested for it but not seen a clinical case in any deer yet (Cervus & Axis).Our major diebacks have occurred in our tropicals from MCF (sheep appear to be the major carrier & a key to management).



If EHD goes clinical in other genera ??

You may get some more attention on EHD, but that could also be a double edged sword.



It may be worth looking at some of the work being done on bluetounge in Europe as these viruses appear similar.If it can be prevented from "wintering" this may hold some hope for control.One thought is it may be wintering in the unborn calves from surviving dams.



I really do hope there is a simple solution to these viruses.



Stay Staunch

Sharkey
 
Finally found the formula that is working on my deer. This data is intended as information and by no means am I suggesting you use this formula. 30mg dex, 3cc Naxcell, 3cc Baytril, 3cc Banamine, 10cc Polyserem, 5cc Thiamine. This cocktail seems to be working on my infected deer. Again, this is not a recommendation.
 
when you say dex do you mean dexamethasone injectable ? what does this med do for them ? thanks
 
Scott, I assume you are putting them down to administer that cocktail?



Dex is a steroid which help reduce inflammation as i'm sure other things that Scott will mention.
 

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