We have a 5 yr. old doe who has been in labor since Friday afternoon. She had 2 fawns (dead at birth or shortly after) and has still been contracting. She appears to still have at least one fawn still in her. We have not had this problem before, is there anything that can be done to save the doe and/or the fawn (s). She has had successful births in the past.
Fawning Troubles
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She will die if plencenta or fawn is not removed. I would get a Vet to do a C section or he can try to pull it as it sounds like your down to a due or die situation. She has been in labor too long. I would say the other fawn in her is dead and bloated and dry. She will not get that out by herself in most cases.
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Edgar, WI
We have had this and I know a friend that just had this the other day. Chances are she has a 3rd fawn stuck in there backwards, or just coming wrong and is stuck. She will need to be darted and someone with small hands must go inside and clean her out. A vet is best for this process, but we have done this our selfs with success. If this has been going since Friday the fawn/fawns inside will be dead and rotting. She will most likely need not only antibiotics, and Banamine, but oxytocin to clean her uterus out as best as possible. The oxytocin makes the uterus contract and that helps clear out what you or the vet don't get out.
Yes, if you have small enough hands and use either soapy water or lubricant you can get your hand inside to do this.
If you wish you can call us to talk more. 715-212-5640 Not after 9:00 pm central time though.
Yes, if you have small enough hands and use either soapy water or lubricant you can get your hand inside to do this.
If you wish you can call us to talk more. 715-212-5640 Not after 9:00 pm central time though.
We darted her this evening and found no fetus in the birth canal. We did feel something (feeling on the outside of her) behind her milk bags though and she is rather bloated looking. Is it possible that the fawn is stuck even thought it is not in the birth canal? Is there a possiblity that the fawn could still be alive and it is even in a seperate bag of waters? Wishful thinking I know....We gave her antibiotics but do not have the oxytocin. Will definitely have to get some of that.
Amanda
Trophy Hill Plantation
Amanda
Trophy Hill Plantation
Joined Apr 2009
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Edgar, WI
Amanda, I won't make any comments about whether or not there could be another fawn that is still alive other than to say I would doubt it. BUT I AM NOT A VET so PLEASE keep this in mind. I can only talk to what we have done here at our place, and the other day at a friends place I watched a vet in action with the same sort of issues.
Something in your wording has me wondering something. Both my wife and the vet reached into the doe all the way into the uterus. Which for both of these small women meant going in as far as their elbow. I am wonder how far you actually went into the doe? My guess, and it is only a guess, is that you may have only went a short ways and never reached the uterus. Maybe, again MAYBE, there is a fawn stuck in there beyond the area you felt?
DC, We had this several years ago and the doe was fine. She was a first time mother and the fawn was backwards.
Then we had a second doe 2 years ago. She had the feet sticking out but had given up pushing completely. After about 7 hours of the feet sticking out we took the fawns out for her. There was 2 fawns. Both came out not breathing or moving. I did CPR on both and got both of them going. But later that night they both died anyway. They were Soaring Eagle fawns. That mother has gone on the have fawns last spring and is set to fawn again any day now.
I have the most amazing wife. She is strong in heart and mind. I am very proud of how she was able to do what she did those 2 times.
Something in your wording has me wondering something. Both my wife and the vet reached into the doe all the way into the uterus. Which for both of these small women meant going in as far as their elbow. I am wonder how far you actually went into the doe? My guess, and it is only a guess, is that you may have only went a short ways and never reached the uterus. Maybe, again MAYBE, there is a fawn stuck in there beyond the area you felt?
DC, We had this several years ago and the doe was fine. She was a first time mother and the fawn was backwards.
Then we had a second doe 2 years ago. She had the feet sticking out but had given up pushing completely. After about 7 hours of the feet sticking out we took the fawns out for her. There was 2 fawns. Both came out not breathing or moving. I did CPR on both and got both of them going. But later that night they both died anyway. They were Soaring Eagle fawns. That mother has gone on the have fawns last spring and is set to fawn again any day now.
I have the most amazing wife. She is strong in heart and mind. I am very proud of how she was able to do what she did those 2 times.
Now is the time to give the doe Batril. This is the drug of choice for fighting infection following mis-carriages/difficult births and still births. If there is some of the placenta left i9n the doe, or possibly another fawn, it will cause an infection. The Batril will help fight the infection. Use the 5 day method of 2-3cc SQ. Good Luck