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Four Seasons Whitetails

Four Seasons Whitetails

Joined Oct 2009
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upstate ny
I hope someone can fill me in!!!! Today we had to tb test a yearling doe that came back suspect back in june. She came back on the edge of the line so they asked if we would be ok with another test in 90 days.



So the state vet comes at 8am she is darted and he shaved her in the 2 spots like the norm. All is well, We reverse her and she is back up and feeding by 9am. We ask what test he used for the tb and he said he used both the reg tb stuff and the avian also. Reg test on the top shave and the bird stuff on the bottom shave. I come home at noon and she is down on the ground kinda flopin and cant get up. By the time i get in the pen to her she is Dead.



State vet comes back, does all his so called stuff he has to do. Look for tb (found none) Pulled cwd sample. We skinned her neck to look for any problems and found no signs of injury. He says she died of a reaction from the test. Has anyone ever heard of a vet giving a deer both kinds of tb test at the same time. So far nobody i have talked to have has ever heard of such a thing!!!
 
Nope never heard of that...always one tb test .......they will either show up with the TB or may show up suspect with the Avian bird ..........never had my deer injected with two different tests.........that's crazy....stinking killed the deer.....what ashame......this has all got to end someday when we decide to get our heads out of our butts and bring on a class action suit against the Goverment for all of these absurd regulations!! it's just WRONG!
 
ddwhitetails said:
Nope never heard of that...always one tb test .......they will either show up with the TB or may show up suspect with the Avian bird ..........never had my deer injected with two different tests.........that's crazy....stinking killed the deer.....what ashame......this has all got to end someday when we decide to get our heads out of our butts and bring on a class action suit against the Goverment for all of these absurd regulations!! it's just WRONG!
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Well if this is proven to be an assclown of a move you will see something happen. Never should have had to retest her in the fist place because they used the wrong paperwork the first time. Shawn has been involved in this today.



I was just trying to get alot of replies and answers from guys that have been in this alot longer than my 3 years. This is my first testing ever!
 
Hi Mike,

We just went through all of our TB testing, we had to show up as reactors, We then had to have the comparetive test done, and they did do two different test, Bovine and Avian. Just like you said, shaved two spots bovine in one and avian in the other, then they came back to measure skin thickness and compared to what they measured when they were injected. I did quiet a bit of research on these test cause frankly I don't like it, I've talked with Shawn at NADEFA and everyone that is the only certified comparetive test out as of right now. They are hoping to get the blood test approved very soon. Have never heard of anyone losing a deer or a deer having a reaction and dying from it. But they should have to compensate for your deer, sorry for the loss of your deer.
 
Mike,

Mine was three years ago and I only remember one injection.....I did have one suspect and they came back and did another injection....but I never remember two....but Clay just went through it so it must be protocol....I will be going through it on the 13th .....Can't wait.......LOL.......what a dissjustice to these awesome animals......they shouldn't have to go through all of this unneccessary testing.......just rediculous.....
 
Blood test has SUPPOSED to have been out months AGO......................I doubt we EVER SEE IT!



I have no FAITH in them doing ANYTHING that HELPS the Deerfarmer!!!!!!!!!
 
Hey guys here in Wi we also do the comparetive tests when we get a suspect. Shave two spots and measure the thickness of the two and as long as they are the same ..good to go ! Dennis your so very right , we shouldn't have to be subjected to so many testings, it's bullcrap ! I was in the dairy industry for 25 years , sent registered holsteins all over the US as well as embryo's all over the world with very very little testing . Now I get into the deer biz and you'd think I bought them from outspace the way we test and test the crap out of them . If the deer and elk industry isn't discriminated against because we compete with the DNR then what do you call all this BS ? If we have a suspect they have to be retested in 10 days or less why would they wait so long to retest the yearling doe mentioned in the start of this thread , makes no sense !
 
When we TB tested ours this spring we had 2 reactions to the test and when the state vet came out he gave both the avian shot and the bovine shot about 2-3 inches apart on the opposite side of the neck as the first one. They both reacted to the avian meaning it was avian tb they had. I do know he gave both shots at the same time though.
 
Guys.....why can't we get pissed off and band together for a class action suit against the Government? at this point what do we have to lose? Yeah, money.....but we might get to keep our industry.......I mean come on.......we are so discriminated against it's rediculous.....I would certainly think we have a good case........seriously....what is everyone's thoughts...hopefully there's is as many responses to this questions as a free straw of semen.....cause it's worth a lot more to us ALL.....oooooooorrrr Not........
 
clay said:
Hi Mike,

We just went through all of our TB testing, we had to show up as reactors, We then had to have the comparetive test done, and they did do two different test, Bovine and Avian. Just like you said, shaved two spots bovine in one and avian in the other, then they came back to measure skin thickness and compared to what they measured when they were injected. I did quiet a bit of research on these test cause frankly I don't like it, I've talked with Shawn at NADEFA and everyone that is the only certified comparetive test out as of right now. They are hoping to get the blood test approved very soon. Have never heard of anyone losing a deer or a deer having a reaction and dying from it. But they should have to compensate for your deer, sorry for the loss of your deer.
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Thanks clay, I have heard of the reg test first and then if that shows a reaction then they come back and use the Avain. I had never heard of them both injected at the same time. Not sure what would have killed this deer but she was fine, Up eating grain and grazing on alfalfa for like 3 hours and then she just went down i guess. I was not home so im not 100% of what went down but she was in a pen with just fawns and her body showed no sign of injury at all. She was a nice young tame doe with nice breeding behind her. Just Sucks!!
 
Mike,

Sorry for your loss.

3 yrs ago we had a suspect doe the worse feeling ever. A week later the state vet came back out and administered both the bovine and avian test as well. No issues were encountered during or after the second test.



Not sure on the blood test. I heard of Shawn asking for us to give blood samples for testing purposes. That was the last I heard of that. If more samples are needed I am willing to take blood samples when I do my testing this spring.
 
Just a few things to remeber with TB tests and knocking down deer. With TB 1 out of 100 tests are faked. they will show up looking positive whether the deer has it or not. they just want to make sure our vets are doing their jobs (as my BOAH vet told me). Also, every deer that i have seen that has showed up positive, it has been about a softball size lump at the injection site. Now for knocking them down, the kicking reminded me of this, one out of 12 deer will stop breathing when you put them down. when deer have trouble breathing they will start kicking. A simple smack on the chest can get them breathing again. I kind of wonder if this isnt what happened.
 
Rumor has it the blood test has been APPROVED!!! Our state vet told us to hold off any test until it is OFFICIAL. In my opinion your doe had a reaction to your drugs used for tranquilization.
 
Michael.......how long before the blood test will be officially approved do you know? I am to TB test this weekend so I guess I need to continue with it as planned because I am sure it will be a while before everything is official and organized to where we can use the blood test.....But that is awesome news...
 
Dennis good luck with your testings , hope all goes well and there's no suspects ! Seems almost funny when one of us mentions how we're discriminated against as an industry no one wants to talk about it ? What the heck do most people like being kicked in the teeth or what !! So most of you like the way the industry is tested and monitored dang near to death ? Seems to me we never stand up to anything we're made to do which in turn makes it easier to make and enforce even more rules and regs !
 
Just done our testing last week and the tb &bruc lady told me all they tell her is it will be this fall. This is is in Missouri. She said they won't give a date. All went well for us. Best of luck to those testing.



Eric Y
 
Arrowhead Whitetails said:
Rumor has it the blood test has been APPROVED!!! Our state vet told us to hold off any test until it is OFFICIAL. In my opinion your doe had a reaction to your drugs used for tranquilization.
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Mike, You are correct! I contacted Dr Wagner in pa and sent him pics. Her intestins were almost black when they opened her up. He says it was a blood pressure thing to the organs. The part that sucks was that she did not need to be retested. They used the wrong paper the first time which showed her just touching the line. When they realized their mistake they told our vet to do the test anyways so they did not have to tell us that they screwed up!!

Now she is dead and i am pushing the point. I called to talk to the man in charge and asked for a return call.... Well i got the call.. It was the states lawyer and she said that all talks had to go through her from this point on!!



Whats that tell ya?
 
I guess if you went and got a lawyer you'd be paying for both lawyers since your tax moneys paying for theirs
 

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