Lies Lies and more Lies!

I found this today. I drafted a comment immediately



http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/feb/11/bob-hodge-missouri-provides-more-evidence-deer/?partner=yahoo_feeds

Great response Sam.



Thank You for your professionalism.

Can't argue with facts!

Thanks Sam!

Good job Sam!!

Another journalist who does not have clue! Get em Sam!!!!!

Awesome post Sam!!!



Thank you for taking the time to respond!!



It sheds a different light on the whole article.



I'd be interested to see if they respond.



Thanks again!

Thank You Sam, your response was terrific!

Troy Haller

They don't have an argument when you confront them with the facts. Good job Sam!



Gary Olson

That is the perfect response, facts! Also let them know that CWD has never been linked to making any human sick!

A couple of years ago our Conservation Department quit testing deer. However, we had to continue to keep all the programs going. At one of the TASK FORCE meetings I pointed out that since we were the only ones testing, that if it was found, we would find it and of course be blamed for it! You could see that one coming a mile away. They just shook their heads and avoided the statement. Well look what happened!



Here are 2 paragraphs I found on the Missouri Department of Conservation web page. Even though its subtle I don't like the way these 2 paragraphs are written:



Where has CWD been

found in Missouri?

Three cases of CWD have been found in captive

white-tailed deer since February 2010 at a 3,800-

acre private, captive-hunting preserve in Linn

and Macon counties. Two positive results were

detected from test samples taken from freeranging

adult bucks harvested in Macon County

by Missouri hunters in 2011. The two bucks that

tested positive were harvested within two miles

of the captive-hunting preserve. These two

positive test results are the first for free-ranging

deer in Missouri.



Also look at this paragraph:



How is CWD spread?

CWD is transmitted through prions, which

are abnormal proteins that attack the nervous

systems of these species. These prions

accumulate in the brain, spinal cord, eyes, spleen,

and lymph nodes of infected animals. CWD is

spread by animal-to-animal contact or by animal

contact with soil that contains prions from

urine, feces or the decomposition of an infected

animal. CWD can come into a state through the

natural movement of free-ranging deer and elk

or by the interstate shipment of hunter-harvested

or captive white-tailed deer, mule deer or elk.



Both of these paragraphs are mis-leading. The first suggests the free-ranging deer got it from the pen raised deer. That is hogwash. The second paragraph is a double dose of hogwash. We don't know thats it is spread animal to animal. Facts would statistically show otherwise. And then they say it can come into a state by the interstate shipment of captive whitetail deer...again hogwash. We all know better. Its NEVER happened. All legal movement is from herds that are so regulated and clean that bringing it in on a trailer is almost impossible.

Sam, That is a great answer, congrads on a job well done.



Chuck

Sam, Ask the DNR, that if we are doing all the testing, are we nothing but the canary in the coal mine? We had the same problem in Minnesota, they found a case on an elk farm first, then one case in a wild deer, 3 miles from the elk farm. After 2 years of testing the area deer [about 4500 head], they found no more cases. How contagious is it?

Gary Olson

What the heck are these people doing! They are trying to put perfectly illegitimate business under by throwing around all sorts of garbage. Sam, you hit the nail on the head with FACTS! This kinda stuff pisses me off.



-Johnny B

And why if they found it in the wild near a farm with a positive, couldn't it have gone from the wild to the pen, and not the other way around???? That is the first thing I thought of when I read the original article - if they claim it can move from pens to the wild certainly the reverse can happen.

Sam's the man

SJames said:

A couple of years ago our Conservation Department quit testing deer. However, we had to continue to keep all the programs going. At one of the TASK FORCE meetings I pointed out that since we were the only ones testing, that if it was found, we would find it and of course be blamed for it! You could see that one coming a mile away. They just shook their heads and avoided the statement. Well look what happened!



Here are 2 paragraphs I found on the Missouri Department of Conservation web page. Even though its subtle I don't like the way these 2 paragraphs are written:



Where has CWD been

found in Missouri?

Three cases of CWD have been found in captive

white-tailed deer since February 2010 at a 3,800-

acre private, captive-hunting preserve in Linn

and Macon counties. Two positive results were

detected from test samples taken from freeranging

adult bucks harvested in Macon County

by Missouri hunters in 2011. The two bucks that

tested positive were harvested within two miles

of the captive-hunting preserve. These two

positive test results are the first for free-ranging

deer in Missouri.



Also look at this paragraph:



How is CWD spread?

CWD is transmitted through prions, which

are abnormal proteins that attack the nervous

systems of these species. These prions

accumulate in the brain, spinal cord, eyes, spleen,

and lymph nodes of infected animals. CWD is

spread by animal-to-animal contact or by animal

contact with soil that contains prions from

urine, feces or the decomposition of an infected

animal. CWD can come into a state through the

natural movement of free-ranging deer and elk

or by the interstate shipment of hunter-harvested

or captive white-tailed deer, mule deer or elk.



Both of these paragraphs are mis-leading. The first suggests the free-ranging deer got it from the pen raised deer. That is hogwash. The second paragraph is a double dose of hogwash. We don't know thats it is spread animal to animal. Facts would statistically show otherwise. And then they say it can come into a state by the interstate shipment of captive whitetail deer...again hogwash. We all know better. Its NEVER happened. All legal movement is from herds that are so regulated and clean that bringing it in on a trailer is almost impossible.

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Let's not forget that wild animals (or even captive animals) from CWD-positive states have been routinely harvested and packed with ice and transported across state lines without "worry" from the government. I would think that this alone would be as big of a threat as any other.

Thanks Sam, we know how it goes in Michigan when CWD pops up , Everyone wants to jump on the bandwagen and put us out of business. Good post with the facts. Alex

Wild Rivers, as far as it going from the wild to the pen. We asked that question to the head of big game for the DNR at a public forum in Rochester. He refused to answer that question.

Another big stink they were trying to stir up was the contamination of the soil for who knows how many years. The elk farm is being turned in to a billion dollar medical research facility. They were complaining that the escavation equipment was dragging this contaminated soil out on the highways and all over SE Mn. Contaminating everything around. I asked the head of the DNR at the forum if they had any concerns about all the 4 wheelers and recreation vehicles that travel out to the Rockies every fall was an issue. I asked him if it would be a wise move to require these vehicles to go a wash facility and clean up before reentering the state. Much as they do on boats that enter the inland lakes. He didn't think it would be necessary, and it would be to much of an inconvience to these people. Hows that for double standards?

If you google Bob Hodge you'll find out in one of his other articles he's written that he is a "friend of the National Wildlife Federation". If anyone has been around or studied exactly what the Wildlife Federation is, they know all about these people. They are totally against any type of commercial hunting, period. There belief is that the wildlife belongs to the people of the state and that it is there right(not the privilage)to be able to go wherever whenever they want free of charge to access the wildlife. Typical liberal free loaders, they want everyone else to put the time and money into managing and enhancing habitat for the wildlife but you'll find out these people contribute NOTHING for the wildlife. They have full time lobbyists in every state who fight any bill that comes up that may favor commercial hunting in any way. Here in SD they hate all the landowners and commercial pheasant hunting operations but will road hunt roosters around them all day in hopes of taking a rooster out of the ditch that a preserve may have released rather then going out and actually walking for them or getting to know a landowner and forming a friendship and maybe having a good place to hunt. If you opened up your deer and elk preserve for free hunting for a week, they would all be there ready to shoot every deer you have if it was free to them and you would never even get so much as a thank you out of them. They put there names on the "sportsman against hunger" programs so they look good to the public while they continue to wipe out the deer populations on the public land in the name of feeding the hungry by overhunting. They whine that all the landowners with good deer hunting won't let them hunt anymore because the "rich" non-residents have taken all the good land away from them. They will tell any lie they have to in order to achieve there goal, NO commercial hunting. When they have nothing, they have nothing to loose.