Memo to Deer Industry Stakeholders

URGENT MEMO TO ALL DEER INDUSTRY STAKEHOLDERS ONLY



FROM: Len Jubinville



Dear North American Deer Farmers,



The reason I am writing this letter is because I have very serious concerns about the path that many of us are choosing for our emerging deer industry. As far as the public is concerned the deer industry is barely in its infancy. What we’re trying to do has never been done before in North America. We’re trying to commercialize icons like the elk, the whitetail and the mule deer and for this reason the public’s perception of our industry is of the utmost importance. It is imperative that, as deer farmers, we know where we’re going with our industry, why we’re raising these animals behind high fences and that we are united in our vision for doing so.



To successfully bring on changes in our modern democratic societies is always a challenge and it’s something that stakeholders of any industry should not attempt to do by the seat of their pants. As many of you know, I have lived through the destruction of the deer industry in Alberta. Unfortunately, I see the same thing happening in the United States and it’s high time we wake up and work together before we lose our industry.



In Canada our DNR, along with some members of our own hunting communities were successful in tainting deer farmers to the public as unethical hunters and a threat to wildlife. In the USA, I see the Anti’s destroying our industry by tainting us on a number of fronts such as bambi killers, unethical hunters, unethical breeders, deer mill operators and a threat to wildlife. I have personally visited many farms throughout North America and seen farmers bottle feeding all of their female fawns and some even their buck fawns. Some deer are being raised in very small pens with not even a single blade of grass in them. I’ve also seen bucks with antlers so big they can’t comfortably hold their heads up and have heard comments suggesting that this could be perceived as inhumane. Aren’t we actually giving the anti’s everything they need to destroy us just by the way we do things? At a recent seminar, I asked the question “why are we raising these animals this way?” and the response was that it was better for marketing purposes and for handling our animals. If that’s the case, we are no different than the breeders of dogs, lamas, cats, horses or cows. This would be acceptable if our primary market was meant to be petting zoos, but it’s not. Our primary market is hunting and we need to raise our animals accordingly.



How we raise our animals is what’s going to separate and differentiate us from all other domestic industries and it’s ultimately what’s going to legitimize our industry. Can anyone see us hunting pets in USA anytime soon? I sure can’t. We need to be marketing our animals through binoculars, scopes and videos and when it comes to handling them we should try as much as possible to do so in their wild and natural state and the least times possible. The does are just as elusive as the bucks so our cull does could also be hunted as a way to teach new hunters to eventually increase their numbers. From my twenty year experience, the art of raising and handling wild deer is not difficult to learn and it makes everything so much easier and more economical. It’s only a myth that bottle feds are better to handle. The stress factor remains the same and like many of you know by now, the bottle feds actually add labour and cost to an operation including when it comes to handling them.



My good friends Bob and Sandy Holig in Minnesota are a very good example because they no longer bottle feed their female fawns and their new Autumn Antlers Agri Park (hunting preserve) is up and running and stocked with wild deer only. Another good example is the Shafers in North Dakota. Whenever Shawn and Clark market or show someone their animals, it’s done from inside a pickup truck with a pair of binoculars. Laurie Prasniki and Lavern Yoder, both from Wisconsin, are also good examples and I know there are many other deer farmers like them throughout the United States, Canada and Mexico.



We can’t be breeding deer for only one trait. It’s very important that we raise balanced animals and that we preserve the breed as much as possible. We can do this and at the same time help legitimize our industry if we go about it the right way. It’s all about knowing what we want as an industry and then choosing the right path to best accomplish those goals. My biggest question in all of this is why are we trying to change these icons to fit our pens and ideals instead of building our industry to fit these animals? Because hunting is our primary market, the last thing we want to do is breed the illusiveness right out of our animals! Another very important attribute we need to preserve is the mothering abilities of our does. I think these animals are perfect just the way they are and we should be grateful for the opportunity of being able to farm them. They have evolved over a million years in North America and have thrived against all odds. These animals are deserving of our respect and if we all stop to think about it, this is our last chance. There is no other wild indigenous ruminant left to build an industry around. Without hunting we have no industry. All we would have is a pyramid scheme that sooner than later would come crashing down. Is that what we want?



The second reason for my letter is to create awareness about the importance of a vision and business plan for the industry as a whole. I would like you to imagine there’s a blank canvas over North America and someone is being commissioned to paint a picture of the deer industry for everyone to see. As deer breeders and industry stakeholders, it’s important that we paint this picture ourselves before anyone else does for us, because if we wait for someone else to do it, we might not like what we see. I would hate for us to miss this once in a lifetime opportunity. I say North America because the deer are North American animals deserving of a North American Vision. As far as I’m concerned, we’re on to something very good for everyone including our planet. With the right plan and energy behind it, new entrants into our industry would be lined up at our gates waiting to get in. This line up would not only include individuals but also other states and provinces looking at ideas to diversify their economies in sustainable ways. Creating a demand for the whole industry is where our focus should be, not just on the demand for a few monster bucks.



Is what I’m talking about possible or is it simply a dream? I’m convinced that if we stay focused and devote our time and energy on the big picture rather than on just genetics and growing big antlers, we can blow the gates wide open on this industry. Less than one percent of the population can relate to big antlers behind high fences and yet that’s where most of our energies are being concentrated on right now. Most of the little remaining energy within the industry is spent on defending our existence or running around the country putting out fires or trying to remove road blocks. What if we were to change that scenario so the majority of the population can relate and agree with what we’re doing and why we’re doing it. By wrapping our vision and industry around things like family, nature, outdoor activities, health, security, the family farm, rural communities, the environment, wildlife, economics, tourism and any other positive images we can create together, I’m confident we can gain acceptance and support from the majority of our fellow Americans. After all, isn’t a majority and acceptance very important in a democracy?



When one really takes the time to study and dissect our industry’s full potential, one soon realizes that instead of being part of the problem, a thriving deer industry has the potential to become part of the solution to some pretty serious global economic and environmental concerns. For example, as the great Nations we claim to be, how much longer will we continue smashing these majestic creatures on our roads, railroads and airports? How many people or who in particular has to die from a deer accident before changes are introduced in the management of our wildlife throughout North America. Couldn’t Nature Agri Parks become part of the solution for this problem? Again, this is simply one example but personally I think it’s a major one.



Three things are required before a business plan can be formulated. First, we have to come up with the right vision. This I’m positive we can do from within our industry. The second requirement is someone to lead the formation which again I feel can be found within our industry. The third thing we need is a professional business plan writer. I realize my suggestions require an investment of time and money to implement but what will it cost if we don’t implement some sort of future vision and business plan and industry standards? I believe, like the nightmare farmers in Alberta and Montana have experienced, it could very well cost us our industry. If some of you think I’m exaggerating, just remember that today in United States you can no longer slaughter horses. What are the horse farmers expected to do with their culls and old horses? This type of regulation is devastating to their industry as it would be to any industry built around animals. The world is changing fast and we live in a very different one then even just a few years ago. It’s more important today than it ever was to know which path to take for our industry.



The benefits I’m talking about far out weigh the cost and are too numerous to mention at this time but as a quick overview, I believe the right vision and business plan would:

• Unite us under one message
  
  
  
• Educate us and help us become ambassadors of our industry
  
  
  
• Educate the public
  
  
  
• Empower our politicians and ourselves (knowledge is power and we can more easily stand for something when we have the proper information)
  
  
  
• Identify our hurdles and markets
  
  
  
• Help us to keep focused and united in our vision
  
  
  
• Give us continuity
  
  
  
• Help us become pro-active rather than re-active
  
  
  
• Save us time and money
  
  
  
• Assist us in raising funds
  
  
  
• Ultimately help secure and legitimize our industry
  
  
  
• Allow us to steer our own ship
  
  
  
• Help in getting the right regulations in place to fit the industry
  
  
  
• Most importantly, it protects the industry not only from our adversaries but also from unethical producers or operators as the plan becomes a shield for the industry as a whole. No longer can anyone directly attack the industry, they have to attack it through the plan. If the plan is strong, no one or nothing can penetrate it.
  

How can we ask new farmers to first come up with their vision and business plan when the industry as a whole doesn’t have one? When push comes to shove, how can our lobbyists and politicians stand up and fight for us when they are not informed and have nothing at their disposal to assist them in defending our position? How can we lobby for regulations when we do not have a grasp of the big picture? How can we make movies and go public when we don’t yet know the big picture we want others to see? First, we need to come up with a vision and a plan and then we work at getting regulations and public messages to fit the plan and not the other way around.



Thank you for your time on this matter and please know I care deeply about all of you. I also care for the deer and the industry we are working so hard to preserve. Because I suffered through the death of the Alberta deer industry, I will do whatever I can to prevent others from going through such a devastating experience. Please feel free to contact me directly with your comments and or suggestions.



Len Jubinville

[email protected]

I posted the above Memo that Len sent to me and other industry people so that you can consider and respond to his suggestions.



I have known Len for over 10 years and have great respect for his vision and dedication to the industry. I have done business plans for various alternative livestock associations and know the value of having a common vision, agreed upon goals and an action plan!



I would like to see the American cervid industry more pro-active than reactive. Remember, that by planning and taking certain actions now you have greater control of what your future will be. If you sit around and do nothing, then others will determine the future of the cervid farming industry.



Please read, think about, respond and/or offer your own suggestions. And get involved - if you are not part of the solution, then you are probably part of the problem.



Thanks,



Russ

I know Len and think he is a really good guy. So it hurts to think I so much disagree with his letter above.



I do think the industry needs a more organized approach to the development and promotion of hunting ranches which is truly our end product for the bucks. But for our industry to say it is wrong to bottle feed our does used as breeding stock is absurd. I don't agree that bottle fed bucks are a good idea even on breeder farms because of the danger to owners and care givers during the everyday maintenance of the herd. But I know I personally would get out of deer before I went back to the days of having stupid, crazy, unmanageable deer. I and my wife Laurie enjoy being able to walk out and pet and hug our does. We enjoy that our does come running to meet us at the gates. This ability to pet them isn't purely selfish on our part. It also provides us with the opportunity to assess each doe and doe fawn looking and listening for any possible sickness, or injury. Back in the day when we didn't have tame deer it was a guessing game as to who was sick or injured. Also our tame breeding does give us the ability to show off our animals to non-deer farmer visitors. These visits give us the chance to talk with both hunting and non-hunting members of the voting public. During our tours we explain the benefits of having a calm and workable herd of breeding does. We explain that the bucks are not raised in the same manner, and the reason being that the primary market for bucks is the hunting ranches. A simple walk towards our buck pens then shows the clear difference in the temperament of breeding does who all crowd around looking to have their ears rubbed vs bucks for stocking the ranches that run to the far end of the pens and stand all proud and on alert. That clear difference actually aids us in showing those who wonder if hunting in a high fence is actually hunting or just shooting pets.

It also concerns me when we try and make ourselfs look more appealing to the anti's. Yes, I understand none of us needs to do things to give them ammunition to use against us. But the fact is the anti's want everyone eating grass and never consuming any meat products or any products associated with animals such as eggs or milk. There will NEVER be any type of hunting, style of hunting, or form of hunting that is considered acceptable to them. For us to tailor our farming practices to meet their definition of acceptable is not a reality. Our industries only success lives in freedom. The freedom and the pursuit of it. The freedom to make a living in any way we see fit provided it falls into the laws of the land. The freedom to hunt animals in a way both legally and morally right. The common factor is legally. Thus we must stay on track with our lawmakers. We must show them that we are a viable industry capable of adding to the economy in our states, counties and our towns. For as always it is the almighty dollar that makes the world turn. Last year I flew to Washington D.C. and met with lawmakers. When I shared my story of being furloughed from my job and that if it wasn't for the deer farm I would be in a bad way THAT meant something to them. When I demonstrate that I add thousands of dollars to my local economy each year with purchases of feed, medicines, labor for help THAT means something to them.



That said I don't think we should be bottle feeding bucks and releasing them into hunting areas. I think our "extra" does should also not be sent to the hunting areas if they are bottle fed. Fact is I would not want to be in the woods with a client and have to explain why a doe is following us to our stand.

As much as I don't need the government telling me what I can or should be doing on my property, I surely don't need the industry telling me I can't or shouldn't bottle feed my does either.



The long and short of it for me bottle feeding isn't about my ability to market my animals to other breeders. For me bottle feeding my BREEDING DOES is about better herd maintenance, and personal enjoyment of my farm.

My ability to pay my bills and add to the economy is my "defense" to the lawmakers who set the rules.

Those are my personal thoughts on the topic. It is great sharing ideas though.

I feel Len and Roger both made good points and can be argued both ways. For the most part I have to agree with Len. People who admire or hunt whitetails have labeled them the elusive whitetail. Selling and marketing them as tame pets does not reflect the best image with the general public. In one way I do agree with Roger. Some breeders have small or limited acreage. Tamer deer or bottle fed deer work best. How ever this should not be encouraged for every breeder. My wife with a passion does not like bottle fed deer. Nor does she like wilder deer as she refers to them as nut balls when they pace the fence, snorting alerting every deer on our farm. She likes deer that keep their distance with out running around the pens alarming our calmer does. Although our does are calm they stay at the other side of the pens when strangers came around. We do no darting when moving any of our bucks or does from one pen to another or into the hunting area. When moving deer, our bottle fed deer are the first or last ones out of the pens if we can get them out at all. We have proved wilder bucks or does survive in a hunting area better. Hunters also prefer wilder deer. As Roger said it is embarrassing to have a deer follow you threw the woods. But on the other hand what are we to do with the thousands of bottle fed does and bucks. In my experience 100% of the deer that do not die in our pens are shot. Some where down the road some breeder has to make the decision to call Daisy, Lilly or Autumn out of the herd allowing better genetic does to take their places. In most cases it just is not good business to feed has been does when they have produced ten generations of better fawns.

To reinforce Lens point, the general public considers the whitetail as a wild and elusive animal. If we try to change that mind set we are fighting a battle we will loose. If handled right we will have the best of both worlds, wild and tame. Most hunters would loose the desire to hunt high fence if deer acted like cattle being herded for one fence to another waiting to be shot. Advertising to the right people weather breeders, hunters or admirers is the key to perception.

I dont think it will matter to the people that dont believe deer should be hunted behind a fence.Some mindsets will never be changed.I know of some farms here that bottlefeed all of their deer and when you go in the perserve after they have been in that big area away from people for a few weeks and mix in with the deer that have been in there for a year or two they turn tail and head out.Im sure there are some that cant be brought back to wild per say!

Wisdom said:

...But on the other hand what are we to do with the thousands of bottle fed does and bucks. In my experience 100% of the deer that do not die in our pens are shot. Some where down the road some breeder has to make the decision to call Daisy, Lilly or Autumn out of the herd allowing better genetic does to take their places. In most cases it just is not good business to feed has been does when they have produced ten generations of better fawns...

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I completely agree that in order to progress one's breeding herd you must continue to "replace" or "cull" the older breeding does from one's herd. That is the only way to deepen and strengthen one's breeding program.

However this can be done without culling by bullet in most cases if the breeder has done his or her homework in the first place. This is one reason why some of us advocate for starting your herd with quality stock in the first place. What is the definition of quality stock? Stock that has the best likely hood of maintaining its value in the breeder market. By doing this you increase your ability to resell the animal or her offspring down the road instead of having to cull by the bullet. NOTE: There is more than one level of "quality" in the industry. And there are those who are looking for each level as well. You don't have to raise $20,000 fawns to qualify as a breeder market grower. But you have to decide at what quality level does it become easier to sell breeding stock, or at what level is it just easier or most cost effective to just eat the does.

However everyone has to choose what direction they want to go with their own programs. I in NO WAY say that everyone has to take the same approach I take with our breeding programs. For some people the goal is to just raise a few shooter bucks each year and they have no interest nor desire to participate in the breeder markets. That is of course an option as well. However when they make that choice they have to then realize they assume a new set of responsibilities that differ from other farms that do sell breeder stock. Those responsibilities include the case of culling does. This will need to be accomplished by eating them, selling them in some sort of venison market or by selling to hunting areas. This then means if hunting areas is one option they need to take that into account when raising these deer in the first place by then not bottle feeding their does since hunting areas is one of their outlets.



My point is we all have to make our own choices as to what direction we want to go. No one should tell people what direction they have to go in with their breeding programs nor the method of farming. That said I will say again. I do not agree with stocking hunting areas with bottle fed deer of any ***. Growers need to live up to the responsibilities that come with raising deer and make the right choices.



I also want to say that I love we have a forum that we can talk without everyone seeing what is said. That said, without a verification of a deer growers permit we still have the anti's able to view what is said here by just registering so keep that in mind when posting.

As an industry we have to recruit new people into hunting in high fences. I have to agree with andy, the deer we raise are to hunt and without hunting these animals the whole industry will fall apart just like all the other exotic industrys have over the years. The only reason we are still doing what we are today is our hunters obsession about hunting whitetail. We can create a place that we can manage effeciently and grow mature bucks in a natural environment. The most sought after animals in the world are pretty much ranked by how hard they are to hunt. The top five will be found above the tree line in the mountains or deep in the jungle of africa. This should tell us that we should keep our bucks wild for the hunters... Everyone likes the challenge of the hunt. We have to attract a new group of hunters into hunting high fences. If you and three friends go hunting every year. Last year your friends came to my hunting preserve without you because you had a misconception about the whole idea. They had a great time and brought back some awesome bucks. Next year you will probally go with them. I have never had a hunter than left my farm and said that high fence hunting is not for them. If i can get them here one time they are here to stay. We need to educate people about what hunting preserves are all about.

I also believe that someday most hunting will be done on the bigger highfence operations with good prices and great deer.I dont know about your area but around here its gettin hard for most people to find hunting land thats not loaded with people or that has any deer left on it and also like it or not this world has some....mabey i shouldnt say lazy but some would rather go to a nice place with a nice camp to stay a few days,get catered to and shoot a great deer.

So I and the one person who emailed me directly saying AMEN are the only two people who think bottle feeding our breeding does is ok?

Everyone else thinks we should have wild, crazy, bounce off the fence breeder herds. Hmmm, interesting.



Again, I do NOT agree with bottle feeding any bucks, nor any does that will end up in a hunting ranch. But I will be damned if I will go back to the days of having nut ball breeder does.



Well, I guess there will be lots of farms selling their bottle fed does in the days ahead to make room for the nut balls.

Roger, i bottle feed my does that are in my AI program. However they will never be put into my hunting preserve. We do release bred does, but they are grown in a 15 acre pen with very little human contact.. I make a decision when i pull a doe for bottle feeding that she will never be used in the hunting preserve for breeding ..

Kurt, Thanks for your input. So what you are doing is accepting a set of responsibilities as a grower that include among other things that when you bottle feed you commit to never adding those bottle raised does to a hunt ranch. That's cool.

LOL Roger, we agree with you also. We would much rather have the bottle fed does than the wild ones. We got into the deer business because we love deer and it wouldn't be near as fun if they just bounced off of the fence every time you went into the pen.

My bottle fed does are sold or stay in the breeding pens. This is why i pick them carefully. The only thing i was trying to say that if everyone bred their deer(bucks) with the intent of being hunted we would be better off. Not only keep them a little wild but breed for desireable antler characteristics. A whitetail that still looks like a whitetail. Updraft has a great look !!

Thanks NK.



Kurt, Thanks for the compliment on Updraft. I do agree that "score" has driven many herds away from breeding what a whitetail should look like. There is of course a place for the non-typicals, but the majority of hunters like a typical mainframe.

I completely agree the industry needs to keep the true end product in mind. And that is the hunter. I do think the industry needs to focus more on promoting high fence hunting. My only disagreement with Len's letter is that he sounds like none of us should be bottle feeding any of our animals. Again Len is a great guy. I always enjoy seeing him. We just don't see eye to eye on this one.

I agree with both Roger and Kurt.

I think if you started out with some bottle fed does that were tame and you spend alot of time with your animals you might get by without bottle feeding. For now I will continue bottle feeding the does.

Some people just bottle feed and don't spend time with them and they end up being wall bangers, just my opinion. But they still say they were bottle fed.

I agree on the bottlefed does but as i said i have seen bucks that were bottlefed and then put in a pen with deer that have not been bottled and i will tell ya a month or two you could not tell.They ran with the herd chased does and acted normal.Im sure there are some that might not change and in the most part its a good idea not to.I believe RDM bottlefeed all theirs and they have hunts and mabey some of these big bucks that have died of antler infections might be here today if they could be gotten closer to.I guess there are different things that can happen either way.

Going back to my original thoughts, intentions and considerations when I was looking into the details of raising deer (not today's commercialized "deer" farming), I still clearly recall one of my main concerns. That concern was how do I take a majestic animal and raise it in a 100% controlled environment and still allow for that animal to remain majestic - in accordance to my thoughts and beliefs?



What "IF" the fence would break open due to a storm or other unbeknown reason? Would the escaped animals be able to rely on their instincts to fend for themselves? Would they have enough "fear" to run from an on coming vehicle? Would they have enough "developed and evolved senses" to allude predators; including hunters? Would they remain, well --- Majestic even when sent to a hunting preserve?



I felt I owed it to the animals, which I've been blessed as being a steward to, these simple but crucial benefits of their kind. I never set out to "domesticate" or "commercialize" the animals, but as time went on the "greed of commercialization" had taken a hold of my original intentions and clouded my objectives. Looking back to the origin as to why I started raising deer I am left a bit pi$$ed at myself, as well as this industries behavior and what I have been helping to fight for.



Many years ago with folks like Thelma Morgan, NYBill, SteveL, Tim Condict, Holly, Rob Guthries, MitchP, JDW, Wooden Acres, DonH and so many others, they in-stowed upon me what it meant (at that time) to sustain the majestic beauty of the deer and not so much worry about the going prices of this or that deer or the ease of handling deer - much like it has turned into today. These people actually "respected" and "honored" the deer and everything about its being. No where in the beginning did I think raising deer would one day be about setting up a business plan for the best ROI.



In all honesty, I have come full circle in my beliefs and have concluded that this industry, on its current path, is on the verge of destroying all that is majestic about the whitetailed deer in the name of commercialization and capitalization. At this point in my life, I don't think I want to one day have to sit down and explain to my grandson's what "old time deer hunting" was like. I want to be able to provide them with an experience of whitetail hunting in its pureness the same way my grandfather and father introduced it to me.



I know this post is going to rub "A LOT" of people the wrong way, but it's how I truly see this industry currently heading and evolving;



- domestication and commercialization!-





With the direction the industry is going, commercialization and domestication is exactly the "fitting image" it is currently portraying. The industry has gotten to the point of "claiming to love" the fawns just like one of our children, (just to appease the general public, I assume) but as soon as that fawn/deer reaches culling age, where it is of no more use financially, it is then sold like a slab of meat to the highest shooter/bidder. That to me is truly an honest love-hate relationship. This is also the clear message that the industry is establishing and projecting as well as being regularly mocked and frowned upon. For this reason alone, IMO, is "why" hunting on a preserve will never be generally accepted by sportsman as a "true form" of hunting. After all, we are inadvertently portraying/advertising that we are killing our beloved pets/livestock for Christs-sake!



People today do not have the same visions or beliefs as the ol' timers and this troubles me. Today it is "all about the money and business plans" and nothing about the animal or how to sustain and reinforce the majestic image of harvesting a trophy animal. Yea, its great to have people over to walk through a "petting zoo". All the while we are "thinking" they are being educated with well rehearsed brain washing propaganda. However, those same guest most certainly will leave the farm only remembering that "I got to pet a real live deer, wanna see the picture". Then in turn when they talk to others about their "deer petting experience" they more than likely will only reflect and convey on how tame the deer were on a "deer farm".





With this being said, I have to agree with portions of the opening post in this thread and this is the number one reason why I will always protest any attempts to "domesticate" such a majestic animal. Bottle feeding should always be a second/backup option, IMHO. Having tame deer following people around should be left to the petting zoo's and never mixed, matched or associated with hunting. Deer should be raised as such and not made into something they are not or not meant to be.



Love me if I make you money or hate me if I don't - it's what this industry is all about, currently in every detail.





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John good to hear from you. It has been to long between post. What you had to say made a lot of since. Hope you keep posting

We bottle feed and when someone stops me i will be gone from this industry i LOVE!!!!!!!!

I am NOT going to raise FENCE BANGERS on purpose! To then sell them to a NEW farmer and have him and them stressed out and have him waste his money on a product that his WHOLE family can't ENJOY! I have bought non bottle fed before and NEVER will again!

I am of the opion that we put these animals in a place THEY would not have chose to be in so it is up to us as thier stewards to make them as comfortable as possible,as calm as possible. is that not why we go to every lenght possible to protect them from disease,flies,dogs,bears........isn't that why we spend and spend and spend on these animals............HELLO ???????????????? Does a baby know a stove is hot,would you or i know to avoid a car if we wre standing in the road,a pot hole in the road a drug dealer a good deal on clothes that don't fit would any of us know ANYTHING if not EDUCATED We NEED to "GUIDE" THIS BUSINESS............LIKE A BUSSINESS and to ME that means LOOKING at EVERY aspect of this "BUSINESS" and Tweaking here and tweaking there! IT CANNOT BE RUN LIKE OUR COUNTRY IS !!!!!!! ONE SIDED.....We HAVE to in my OPINION consider ALL involed and how every "decision" affects This INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE!!!! just my 2 cents worth! Thanks