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Misting System or ULV Fogger?

Joined Oct 2010
189 Posts | 0+
Pickerington, Ohio
I would like to get some insight from anyone who has experience using both a misting system in their pens and an Ultra Low Volume (ULV) fogger.


 


I'm looking to get one of the two very soon. But I'm not quite sure which is the better choice to start off with for fly control. For the last couple years, I've used a thermal fogger. But I can't say for sure how effect it has been. I was using a 5% Permithrin & 5% PBO Mix.
 
I have misting system and an a-1 mist sprayer and I use both. The advantage to me on one or the other is that the misting system works when you're not there or are asleep. Plus if you see bugs flying you can go hit the test button and you're spraying immediately. The tractor spray I use on high volume days. By that I mean there are days here that are more optimal hatch days so they get extra. Hope it helps.

Anthony
 
I installed a misting system last spring. the bugs went away instantly...i have other posts in here on what i did and where i git everything from. I got the pump and barrel from one place because the pump was bigger. I bought all the tubing, nozzles and "bug juice" (as i call it lol) from another place as they were FAR cheaper for the exact same product.
 
Thank you guys for your input! I can certainly see the application and need for both systems. In a  perfect world, I'd rather get both!


 


I think I'll get the misting system setup and use my thermal fogger when needed to treat surrounding woods and such. Then maybe switch to a ULV down the road. 
 
All you that messaged me...i will get with you tomorrow evening....sorry. Long day today..just got in...gonna eat shower and hit the hay..i'm beat
 
We have both and to be honest I wouldn't wast the money on a spray system yes it does go off while your not there and through the night but the problem is your daluting a gallon of permethrin and pbo In 135 gallons of water compared to running it out of your Fogger at a higher consistency and with out a breeze to blow it across your pens your spray will just go out 6 ft and fall to the ground. But that's just my experience .
 
I'm with cloudy,  you need to see a fogger work with straight chemical instead of a diluted watered down misting system and how well it travels, YOU can go to the ponds where the midges live and wipe em out. I wouldn't waste the money on the system. Fog the ponds BEFORE they get into your pen. I lost over 50 deer to EHD in 10 days and the day I started fogging, was the day I completely stopped it.
 
Feel free to give me a call if you have any questions about a ULV fogger. I have the Guardian ULV.

EHD is at my farm EVERY year in southeast Alabama. I can help you avoid the pitfalls of EHD

Wayne a Green

334-685-2295
 
This is the 3rd year I've had my ulv fogger! Give Wayne a call and you'll be glad you did. I've had no issues with my fogger, no flies on my deer and Wayne will treat you right.
 
I get this question on a daily basis this time of year and have had calls from many a Deer Farmer over the last few years. After extensive research with the vector control Industry, and experience with both the A1 Mist Blower and the London Fogger, there is no doubt that a ULV fogger is the way to go. They are used by professional pest control applicators nationwide. Any City, Municipality or University who has a vector control program uses a London Fogger. Here are the reasons. The main thing to consider is the droplet size. Misting comes from the orchard industry, weather it is a mounted system or a 3 point system like the A1 or the Big John, they are designed to creat a 200 micron droplet that is designed to "rain down" on the product (apples, oranges, pecans, grapes, etc) creating a splash and putting a nice coating on the product. Using these type of systems for controling flying insects is ineffective because your basiclly throwing a basketball at them. Using the correct applicator, the ULV (ultra-low volume) London Fogger creates a very small 20 micron droplet, which is basicly shooting a bullet at them. As some have mentioned, when using the misting system, the bugs fly away. This is the problem with that....They will fly to your neighbors and survive, the problem with this is that they can then go feed their larvae. You want to KILL the target, so that it can NOT go back to it's nest to feed its eggs. That is why Thermal fogging is no longer used by pro's, the white smoke looks cool, and "repels" the insect, but they just fly to the neighbors. You must KILL the bug so it can not feed its eggs, and that allows you to get ahead of the larvae cycle. In addition to droplet size, to create a true "fog" you must use a mineral oil based chemical because when you create such a small droplet you do not want it to evaporate. Water droplets at 20 microns evaporate. This leads to using the correct chemical, you MUST use a chemical that is specifically designed for "ARIEL" space spraying. You must have a product that has the correct emulsifiers that allow the permethrin molecule attach to the oil molecule, which makes it a fast molecule, which makes it anti-evaportive. Many guys in our Industry are using chemicals designed for termites on foundation walls.....a sticky emulsifier to make the chemical stick to the foundation....and they wonder why their nozzles are always clogging up! Buy a product specifically designed for ariel space spraying and you can greatly reduce that problem. And finally, it only take .0045 pounds of active ingredient per acre to kill midges. You can use your 10 or 20 or 30% permethrin straight in the fogger and knock down bugs. Then I will fog your same area using 4-4 (4% permethrin / 4% PBO) and you did not make the bug any more dead than dead, all you did was spend 1000 times more money for the same result. Spray a weed with a little chemical, its gonna die, pour the whole gallon on it, its gonna die, same principle....trust the system. I've sold 100's of London Foggers to the Deer Industry without a single complaint, not even a single ONE. It works, It works well, and it's the only way to go. Not only that but it is extremely cost effective, a single 2.5 gallon jug will treat approximately 200 acres, I sell this jug for 75 bucks. So a 10 acre pen can be treated for 20 nights for $75. A barrier spray is also extremely effective but that's a whole new subject. If anyone needs consultation on vector control, don't hessitate to give me a call anytime. My cell number is on the anwering machine at the office if you want to call after hours.


Michael