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Perfect timing for some more bad press, Support SCI

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This was passed along to me earlier today thought I would share. ON the B&C website. The last paragraph really drives home a few points that we as an industry make over and over.


 
Game Farm, CWD Concerns Rise at Boone and Crockett Club
Friday, March 28, 2014


Concerned about captive deer operations transmitting diseases to wild herds, the Boone and Crockett Club now officially supports state bans on commercial import and export of deer or elk.


The Club also opposes efforts to relax regulation of captive cervid breeding operations or to remove management authority over such operations from state wildlife agencies.


A full position statement, posted here, was passed at the Club’s December meeting.


The Club’s concerns were reinforced at the recent Whitetail Summit hosted by the Quality Deer Management Association (QDMA), the first summit to focus on key issues and challenges facing free-ranging white-tailed deer.


“Of all the presentations, seminars and findings, I was most pleased to see the attention given to the connections between chronic wasting disease (CWD) and the game farming industry. This has been on our radar, and on the radar of QDMA, other conservation groups, state agencies and sportsmen for quite some time,� said Richard Hale, chairman of the Club’s Records Committee.


Hale added, “Congratulations to QDMA on one of the most impressive and well-run summits I’ve had the pleasure of attending and for keeping this issue front and center.�


CWD is a degenerative brain disease that affects elk, mule deer, white-tailed deer, and moose. The disease can be transmitted by direct animal-to-animal contact through saliva, feces and urine, and indirectly through environmental contamination. CWD is fatal in deer, elk and moose, but there is no evidence that CWD can be transmitted to humans, according to the CDC and The World Health Organization.


Documented cases of CWD have been found in captive and/or wild deer and elk in 22 states and two Canadian provinces. In some, but not all, cases where the disease has been found in wild populations, the disease is present in captive populations within these regions.


In 2002, the Boone and Crockett Club, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and the Mule Deer Foundation formed the CWD Alliance. Its purpose was to pool resources, share information and collaborate on ways to positively address the CWD issue. Other organizations have since joined the Alliance, including QDMA and the Wildlife Management Institute, which now administers the Alliance website www.cwd-info.org.


“Evidence strongly suggests that captive animals infected with CWD can serve as the source for the spread of the disease to other captive animals, and between captive animals and wild populations,� said Hale. “To reduce the risk to wild deer populations, several states passed laws prohibiting game farming or live captive deer and elk importation, but now they are fighting efforts to expand captive deer and elk breeding and shooting operations within their jurisdictions. The captive cervid industry is persistent in proposing new legislations to overturn these laws, or transfer the authority of captive deer and elk from state fish and game agencies to their respective departments of agriculture.�


No vaccine or treatment is available for animals infected with CWD and once established in a population, culling or complete depopulation to eradicate CWD has provided only marginal results. In fact, the prevalence of CWD is rising at an alarming rate in some infected wild deer populations. Prevention is the only truly effective technique for managing diseases in free-ranging wildlife populations. Consequently, what can be done is minimizing the spread of CWD by restricting intra- and interstate transportation captive, privately owned wildlife, which frequently occurs in game farming.
 
tried to post that a couple days ago and this stupid windows 8 wont let me copy and paste to THIS site.  Anyone have any suggestions???
 
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tried to post that a couple days ago and this stupid windows 8 wont let me copy and paste to THIS site.  Anyone have any suggestions???




You could always just cut and paste the link.
 
Josh that's a problem i am having with window 8

I can on any other site by this one! ???

Too much of a pain from my phone.
 
Well, let see how long my comments on their facebook page lasts!  I'm new to this industry and I decided to start building a preserve because I love to hunt while many hunters are people who just love to kill, secondly it amazes me what you can raise with true animal husbandry and management, the last reason is to make a profit because it's honestly a poor return on investment.  Yet the preserve owners and deer farmers are ridiculed constantly by these groups that have grown to huge entities by claiming to support the same things, animal husbandry and management. There are people in this industry that spend thousands advertising every year...  Is there any legality issue of throwing in a statement on your add that says something along these lines "I do not support the Boone and Crockett Club or QDMA because they have sided with Anti-Hunters..." ? or Preserves could offer discounted hunts for joining or donating to NADEFA?  This is a political battle over the hunters wallet.  There is less and less land every year so QDMA claims to be fighting to keep hunting lands for hunters so they can get into their wallet.  Both are on the CWD band wagon for the same purpose.  Just my opinion.. Josh thanks for posting this. Travis Ruth
 
I have posted on a couple hunting sites.

it is amazing how radical the hunters of the wild are and like to throw stones. what they don't realize is we're all in this together whether they like it or not. there are people that do not hunt but will take an anti-hunting stance because of these articles. they have so much tunnel vision they cannot see this. for the life of me I cannot see how ANY hunter would write such an article
 
I would love for the TRUE Milo Hanson B&C buck story get out rumored how their "fair chase" involved chasing the buck in a truck through several farm fields for hours.  In ANY book, that is not fair chase.  I've heard bits and pieces of the "hunt" but would enjoy hearing more.  Post if you know!


 


I found this quote off a Africa hunting site and am reminded how this high-fence "stigma" does not seem to travel across the ocean...


 


"There are several things to consider when you are booking your first trip to South Africa. I’ll start with the one of the misconceptions that I come across all the time when working with clients. Ninety-nine percent of South Africa hunting is behind high-fence.   (34,30,31)For many hunters, including myself, (34,30,31)Africa is their first high-fence hunting experience. Know this; with high-fence properties that have over 2-3,000 acres with hilly terrain and decent cover the fence becomes a moot point in terms of the “fair chase.â€� The animals still have the advantage and it will be a challenging hunt. The fences in Africa are there to keep quality animals in, densities high, and poachers and predators out. It is not about “canningâ€� a hunt for you to open. It’s about predictable trophy quality and numbers of critters."


 


(34,30,31)or how about this...


 


(34,30,31)" (0,0,0); Cape Town - A new South African record price of R40 million has been set for a single buffalo.  (0,0,0); Rubin Els, general manager of Thaba Tholo, a reserve north of Thabazimbi in Limpopo, confirmed the sale of 10-year-old Mystery, on Wednesday night.  (0,0,0); Mystery measures 1.34m high.  (0,0,0); Another bull, Leba – he measures just under 1.16m but is only four years and four months old – was sold for R22.5m.  (0,0,0); Both animals are Cape buffaloes and were sold to unnamed buyers from the Eastern Cape."     (0,0,0); Why were they sold...to be used as breeder bulls in the preserves/reserves (whatever..."high fence") to make bigger trophies.


 


Does Mr. IndyStar Reporter know that his Great Dane down to his tiny Chihuahua all come from the same selective breeding of the same wild WOLF.  One of the strongest producing does back when was "Sugar" -- straight from the hills of Pennsylvania.  How can a son be 6" taller than his dad and maybe a foot taller than his grandpa.... all to do with BETTER NUTRITION, better medications, better environment.  How many of our "freaks" would be nothing more than a 50" yearling fighting off hunters, searching for a small nibble of food here or there.  Put the same deer in with protection, nutrition and calm environment makes all the difference in the world.


 


My 2c...


 


  
 
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I would love for the TRUE Milo Hanson B&C buck story get out rumored how their "fair chase" involved chasing the buck in a truck through several farm fields for hours.  In ANY book, that is not fair chase.  I've heard bits and pieces of the "hunt" but would enjoy hearing more.  Post if you know!


 


I found this quote off a Africa hunting site and am reminded how this high-fence "stigma" does not seem to travel across the ocean...


 


"There are several things to consider when you are booking your first trip to South Africa. I’ll start with the one of the misconceptions that I come across all the time when working with clients. Ninety-nine percent of South Africa hunting is behind high-fence.   (34,30,31)For many hunters, including myself, (34,30,31)Africa is their first high-fence hunting experience. Know this; with high-fence properties that have over 2-3,000 acres with hilly terrain and decent cover the fence becomes a moot point in terms of the “fair chase.â€� The animals still have the advantage and it will be a challenging hunt. The fences in Africa are there to keep quality animals in, densities high, and poachers and predators out. It is not about “canningâ€� a hunt for you to open. It’s about predictable trophy quality and numbers of critters."


 


(34,30,31)or how about this...


 


(34,30,31)" (0,0,0); Cape Town - A new South African record price of R40 million has been set for a single buffalo.  (0,0,0); Rubin Els, general manager of Thaba Tholo, a reserve north of Thabazimbi in Limpopo, confirmed the sale of 10-year-old Mystery, on Wednesday night.  (0,0,0); Mystery measures 1.34m high.  (0,0,0); Another bull, Leba – he measures just under 1.16m but is only four years and four months old – was sold for R22.5m.  (0,0,0); Both animals are Cape buffaloes and were sold to unnamed buyers from the Eastern Cape."     (0,0,0); Why were they sold...to be used as breeder bulls in the preserves/reserves (whatever..."high fence") to make bigger trophies.


 


Does Mr. IndyStar Reporter know that his Great Dane down to his tiny Chihuahua all come from the same selective breeding of the same wild WOLF.  One of the strongest producing does back when was "Sugar" -- straight from the hills of Pennsylvania.  How can a son be 6" taller than his dad and maybe a foot taller than his grandpa.... all to do with BETTER NUTRITION, better medications, better environment.  How many of our "freaks" would be nothing more than a 50" yearling fighting off hunters, searching for a small nibble of food here or there.  Put the same deer in with protection, nutrition and calm environment makes all the difference in the world.


 


My 2c...


 


  




The South Africa story really shines a light on the strengths of what the industry has to offer. Thanks Jim!
 
Jim's comment made me think and putting it in perspective is just comical how hypocritical people are.  I come from a town of about 1500 people and the highlight every year was a fish tournament in stocked ponds for children.  It is a government run fish farm that raises mostly indigenous fish species now to repopulate Florida rivers.  In the past has raised exotic fish to control plants and what not's, now it has to repopulate the native fish because exotics will otherwise take over, typical government knows best.  But they do some good providing jobs in a small comunity and put on a fishing tournament for children every year.  It is the best thing I've ever seen from a government funded organization!  Literally hundreds of children come there every year for the event.  But my point is no one has a problem with a stocked pond, or releasing farmed fish into the wild.  There is no difference in stocking a pond and stocking your property.  So by that logic everyone that has fished in a stocked pond has hunted in a preserve. 
 
Then you have the states that release farm raised pheasants in the wild to draw in that hunting revenue and stay as a topped ranked state for bird hunting.
 
Indiana Dnr property tri county in Kosciusko county stock a pond maybe 10 acres in size with non native trout every spring. This requires a trout stamp to fish. They also do put and take pheasant hunts that hunters have to pay each day to hunt.
 
On TV today, I heard that the Minnesota pheasant flock was virtually distroyed by the harsh winter we had this year. Will Pheasants Forever not try to help restocking the birds? Will these groups violate their ethics?

Go to the Iowa's DNR website. In the history of deer. They credit escapes and releases from deer farms in the 1930's for helping repopulate the wild herd which had dropped to between 500-700 animals in the entire state of Iowa. Deer farms were the heros back then.

Gary
 
go to ohio sportsman and read how when people settled into Ohio  all the hunters wiped out the whitetail and had to restock the wild with farm raised deer.


Well, when EHD and the hunters totally wipe them out in Indiana then I'm not selling to these hypocritical,arrogant, whiney a-holes and they can drive to other states to hunt their precious "WILD" whitetail.  Principle is principle.  I know they were talking about buying bucks and releasing them in the south a year or so ago.  I will eat them myself first before I support someone that is trying to put you out of business.


 


Jerrilee.
 
I have went on those state ran put and take pheasant hunts.And let me tell you maybe we should have cameras on those hunts you talk about tame.
 
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I have went on those state ran put and take pheasant hunts.And let me tell you maybe we should have cameras on those hunts you talk about tame.


I agree they talk about shooting fish in a barrel, how bout shooting birds in a cage
 
The reason they will shoot a penned released pheasant is because it's free to them other then the lic. cost. These same people put down people who hunt on preserves but will drive circles around them in the fall hoping to shoot a released rooster out of the ditch, most right on the ground. Road hunting is legal here and these slobs circle the preserves so they can shoot one of the commercial operations released birds, they think they are really sneaky and can go brag about getting a limit of pheasant next to a preserve. I find it funny 2,738 people(huge % are Wildlife Federation Members) applied for 1 bull elk tag for Custer State Park which IS high fenced and borders Wind Cave National park (CWD endemic area). Looks to me like these same people wouldn't mind a chance at a big bull that is visited by over 1,000,000 visitors during the summer feeding them marsh mellows and popcorn balls right out of the car window. They'll all do it as long as it doesn't cost them money other then the license. You'll always have these people that think the world owes em a place to hunt because someone once said the wildlife belongs to the people of the state. I've never seen any of these people out physically doing a dam thing to help wildlife. They just go to their little group meetings and act like they are really making a difference.


 


On another note, pheasants aren't even native to this country, pheasant farmers hauled them all the way over from China and turned a handful loose and now we have as many as 10,000,000 "wild" birds per season in South Dakota that brings in several hundred million dollars in revenue for the state EVERY year. I guess if the pheasant preserves start raising bigger birds with longer tail feathers, that might piss everybody off too. Well, I guess it won't because as long as they allow slob road hunting in this state, they still have the chance to get a trophy rooster for free out of the preserves ditch. 


 


There isn't a deer hunter in this world who doesn't dream of having his own island or piece of land full of giant whitetails that he or she can manage for themselves, family and their own CLOSE friends without having to worry about trespassers, neighbors shooting young deer before they mature, or slobs poaching out of the pick up truck window at night. Everybody has had their hunt screwed up by someone, most several times every year on both private and public land. I used to hunt a 400 acre public island when I was a teenager that had a great number of deer(before bowhunting really became popular). All I ever dreamed about sitting in those tree stands was having my own island with NO one else spooking the buck I was about to draw back on. Since then all the slobs have started doing deer drives on that island and shooting all the does the Game Fish & Parks said needed to be shot to have a "healthy herd". Now that island doesn't have any herd at all, they wiped it out. With no people management, you CAN'T have deer management. This island would be exactly the same as if it had a fence around it. I tried to corner them by myself for 15 years on that island and I couldn't get it done.
 
People criticize preserves because we raise deer for hunting, what about stocking trout? isn't that the same? you never hear anglers have anti's!