Pulled Cidr`s today

I pulled Cidr`s this morning and have two issues I am not sure about.



first thing I ran across is one does does not have a cidr and I cant find it in the pen anywhere. What do you guys think could have happen to it?



I plan on runnin her through the chute when I AI Sunday night and if I find the cidr with my speculom and light in her I will pull it and AI her later. but if I dont find the cidr and I see white mucus on her Vulva and looks in heat I will put semen in her, If she do not have a little white mucus and doesn`t look like she would be in heat I will just put her with my buck.





Second thing is when I pulled cidr`s I had a couple that had a little white mucus, not much at all, so I gave them some LA200. but when I went back to check on them this afternoon I seen one doe with that white mucus on her back,I have no clue how that would have gotten there. what do you think that could be?

Just my opinion but I would never use LA200 at any time in the start of pregancy because of the abortion factor with it's use in the first trimester. I would have used Pen.

As far as the cidr it might still be in her, your plan is sound on that and you should look for it in her.

Next time you go to pull CIDR's get a shorter and wider speculum for finding lost CIDR's. I have had does that some how pull those darn things further in than what I put them. If you left the long plastic tail on them, some deer will reach around and bite on it till they pull it out. Its possible another deer grabbed it off the ground and chewed on it. If you have a little mucus when you pull the CIDR it is not the end of the world as long as there is not tons of it. I also pulled some CIDR's yesterday, one of the does had a small amount of clear mucus come out when I removed the CIDR. You just need to be sure to make a note of it, when you go to do the AI you can always take there temperatures really quick before doing the AI. If they have a fever they may be fighting a slight infection. A slightly elevated temperature is not uncommon due to the deer getting a little worked up while handling them. I agree with Jack 100% about the LA200, I almost suggest not using it on does period, that way you do not ever give it to one of them on accident while she is pregnant or getting ready for breeding. The penicillin as Jack suggested is a wonderful idea as it has a very short half life. I attached a link about benzylpenicillin, you can see how short the half life is for it. Within an hour it is almost completely metabolized.The mucus on the does back could simply be some drool or something to that extent from another deer in her pen. I have seen does get excited and try to mount each other. This is a common act for deer when they are stressed or anxious. You will see it with male deer to frequently. Good luck with your does, let us know how things turn out!



ftp://ftp.fao.org/ag/agn/jecfa/vetdrug/41-3-benzylpenicillin.pdf



-Johnny B

I am trying to determine which type of antibiotic would be best to use on lap ai'd does to prevent infections after the procedure. What do you guys think?

no cidr i wouldnt chance it depending on the cost of the semen your putting in her, i normally just live cover her instead

Bruce said:

Jeremiah,



Per Dr. Bringans protocol, we give 6ml of LA 300 (Oxytetracycline 300mg/ml) at CIDR removal and 6ml after Lap procedure.

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Bruce,Since you give La 300 what has your A/I success rate been while using it ?

We use Biomycin 8cc when pulling CIDR's and giving PMSG . 75 TO 80 % Maybe Biomycin is to harsh but it's what I've always used .

I have been reading about LA200 for an hour now. I look it up on the enternet. I can not find anything that says you cant give LA200 to pregnant animals. In fact I do read that you can give it to Pre-ruminating calves and lactating animals. but I cant find anything about giving it to pregnant animals are pre- bred animals.

I was thinking maybe Gentamycin would be a good option. The label says its is used for preventing and treating uterus infections with horses.

Will it hurt to leave the CIDR in 15 days instead of 14.

Yes, Bruce is correct. You can keep them in as short as 12 days and as long as 17 days. I just did AI for a guy just north of me last night, we had the CIDRs in for 12 days. The does were showing good heat.



-Johnny B

Thanks guys. I miss calculated some how and realized it last night. Going to AI on Monday the 12th about 4 PM and was going to pull CIDR's this coming Friday. Guess I will pull them about 8 AM Saturday and that should come out about right. Does that sound ok. Thanks for your help.

Dixie20 said:

Thanks guys. I miss calculated some how and realized it last night. Going to AI on Monday the 12th about 4 PM and was going to pull CIDR's this coming Friday. Guess I will pull them about 8 AM Saturday and that should come out about right. Does that sound ok. Thanks for your help.

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If you plan on starting at about 56 hours. That would be about right.

We had a doe jump straight through the catch chute. First time that happened on AI night. I decided not to add any additional stress by reworking or darting. Literally 45 seconds after letting her in with my Ranger Xtreme yearling she was being bred. Talk about timed heat!!! I couldnt believe how fast she stood for him....... lol.