On whitetail exchange why is timex listed as son of the two previous world record bucks when neither one was ever the world record. Records might not mean much to some but people would not advertise this if it didn't to them. PS Goliath is and has been World record holder for last 5 years with a Official score of 429 6/8 sci after he was dried. Look at banner on whitetail exchange for RDM Wild Bunch.
I agree Virgil....but the only way to proove it is to have those bucks in question all scored by the same panel at the same time......but looking at the antlers of all the bucks I don't know how Goliaths can be beat......he may not be the nicest looking antlers out there but he sure did have alot going on and I find it hard for his antlers to be outscored by anything that i have seen to date.......but we won't know unless we have a measuring of all of those bucks by the same panel at the same time!! And if someone wasn't willing to do it then we would know they are not being honest about their scores.
I dont think Curt is advertising Rolex as a world record scoring buck, but as him having soo many sons scoring 200"+ @1. I think that is what Curt is trying to say. I heard from a fellow that Rolex did not go over 400"! I dont know for sure but... that is what i was told. It doesnt matter in my point of view. That buck is one of the best/most proven sires in the industry by far, ahead of MAX. Just one mans opinion.
At NADeFA's conference in march,Rolex did not go over 400".As Drew said he is one of the top producer in this industry.
How do they determine the top producer....I do realize Rolex has a lot of offspring on the ground over 200 inches and better.....but do they take into consideration how many doe he has bred? I would think the true way to determine the top producer (and maybe they have done this with him) is to calculate the number of does he has bred and come up with a percentage of how manmy of those breedings were succesful......it bet if someone did this study you might be shocked as to what bucks would come up with high percentages. It probably wouldn't be any that we would guess.......
Not saying anything bad about Rolex or highroller i think they are both great bucks. I;m just tired of people claiming the world record when niether of these bucks scored higher than RDM Goliath 429 6/8 sci. I find this to be disrespectable. If Goliath was not stolen just think how many top doe he would have been used in and what he could have done for the industry. There is not really much out there from Goliath since his semen and breeding were very limited.
Guys, they are all great deer. There are many great sires from the past that if they were crossed on today does would be producing 200" yearling also. You can't go wrong with any or all of these bucks. Virgil, you are right on with Goliath. It was ashame that he was not exposed to more does. We bought one from RDM and she is a great doe that is producing!!!!! The battle will rage on FOREVER on who is the biggest. Guys it really doesn't matter. Respect them all for what they are............... THE BEST
Micheal,
You are right they are all awesome bucks......and i would be lying if I told you I didn't like any one of them in particular......I would be proud to have any of them in my pen. But I have to tell you I personally know Rod and Diane Miller and they are some of the greatest people you would ever want to meet in your life not to mention to do business with.........that being said, I know it hurts when they see all of these other bucks being advertised as the world records when they are not.......it is easy for us to say it really doesn't matter.....however, if you are the one that holds that title and worked hard to get it then it really does matter......it is disrespectful to the Millers everytime it happens......they should be the only ones that can use that Title at this time until it is broken.....and when the time comes and it is broken then everyone should show the new title holders the same respect.........I can guarantee you Rod and Diane Miller will show the respect should their title be broken........they are quiet about the whole thing and that is because they are good people but others shouldn't take advantage of that. They already got a bad rap with Goliath being stolen.........let them have their title while it's theirs!!!
You are right they are all awesome bucks......and i would be lying if I told you I didn't like any one of them in particular......I would be proud to have any of them in my pen. But I have to tell you I personally know Rod and Diane Miller and they are some of the greatest people you would ever want to meet in your life not to mention to do business with.........that being said, I know it hurts when they see all of these other bucks being advertised as the world records when they are not.......it is easy for us to say it really doesn't matter.....however, if you are the one that holds that title and worked hard to get it then it really does matter......it is disrespectful to the Millers everytime it happens......they should be the only ones that can use that Title at this time until it is broken.....and when the time comes and it is broken then everyone should show the new title holders the same respect.........I can guarantee you Rod and Diane Miller will show the respect should their title be broken........they are quiet about the whole thing and that is because they are good people but others shouldn't take advantage of that. They already got a bad rap with Goliath being stolen.........let them have their title while it's theirs!!!
Kydeer that is what i thought to but people still keep false advertising and this is misleading to new people geting into industry. Besides false advertising is against the law. Dennis i agree with you totally the Millers are great people just because they keep quiet i know it bothers them to see people doing this. Maybe people doing it don't know any better because they were mislead by someones false advertising. All i know is it needs to stop cause it gives industry bad look for newcomers.
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Northeast Wisconsin
We were lucky enough to purchase 5 straws of RDM Goliath several years ago and now have some offspring on the ground. We had a very nice yearling, GoJax out of RDM goliath and a Jack the Ripper doe. Then last year he had some issues and didn't do so well. He is three this year and is off to a very good start - so we are excited about him and a few others.
Jack the Ripper was the world record deer in his time but died too soon and didn't get a lot of stuff out there. We've had very good success with his does in particular. We'll see what the summer brings.
Jack the Ripper was the world record deer in his time but died too soon and didn't get a lot of stuff out there. We've had very good success with his does in particular. We'll see what the summer brings.
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Mineral Point, MO
There is a buck in Texas that may have them all beat.
I just got the Trophy Whitetail World Magaxine from the Deer Breeders CO-OP and there is a buck called Barry from Billy Powell at 5P Farms. Barry is advertized at 440". Have any of you heard of this buck?
I just got the Trophy Whitetail World Magaxine from the Deer Breeders CO-OP and there is a buck called Barry from Billy Powell at 5P Farms. Barry is advertized at 440". Have any of you heard of this buck?
Advertised and officially sored by sci panel two different things. Not saying he doesn't really score that but need to have officially scored to claim world record. I think this year is going to have several record breaking bucks from sounds of it. Guess we will find out this winter after green antlers are properly dried. Can't wait to see first 500 incher Elk farmers are going to be getting jeoulus. PS, all i was tryin to say when i posted this add is tiered of all the false adds people need to get it right when advertising so not to mislead others. We are deer farmers not fisherman no need to stretch the truth like some like to do.
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Marquez, TX
I know Barry and he's a full northern deer in Texas, btw. 
Anyways, I'm not sure what he scored, but he's not a very pretty deer in my opinion. I recall an add in some auction books this year congratulating themselves on growing the "New World Record" whitetail in Little Big Horn. To me it doesn't matter one bit if he's the world record. He's a either a good looking deer or he's not, he can either produce or he can't. 250", 300", 400" I don't care. If he's a big frame 180" buck and throws 200" sons, I'll take that all day and twice on Sunday.
Anyways, I'm not sure what he scored, but he's not a very pretty deer in my opinion. I recall an add in some auction books this year congratulating themselves on growing the "New World Record" whitetail in Little Big Horn. To me it doesn't matter one bit if he's the world record. He's a either a good looking deer or he's not, he can either produce or he can't. 250", 300", 400" I don't care. If he's a big frame 180" buck and throws 200" sons, I'll take that all day and twice on Sunday.
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Mineral Point, MO
yeah i would like a perfect looking 400 inch buck that produces like crazy myself.......however, I'm not going to get picky.......I'll take my first 400 incher anyway he wants to look.......most of the time in order for a whitetail to have a score up in the 400 inch range he is going to have to have a lot going on up there and will obviuosly not be pretty and typical looking........so if you want that size of a buck your going to have to be a little less picky on the look.......it just is was it is.
When I see pictures of big deer...400's in the background in the of the buck there still is a bunch of "duds" ,farms that have a large deer seem to have a large number of "duds", is this the result of having a large farmand it's just the numbers or is it because of using a whole lot of different outcrosses and using the shotgun method rather than building a balanced genetic tree and keeping it's foundation constant?
Can anyone post a pic of "Barry"
Can anyone post a pic of "Barry"
Myself i think high roller was the nicest looking 400 inch buck. I agree Curtis these large bucks do produce a lot of duds but when bread to lots of deer you are bound to get a few nice ones. Thats why need to keep track of how many deer one buck is breeding to see what % of nice bucks he is throwing. How ever some of these mid range bucks seem to be really producing bigger bucks than themselves and a lot of those deer have not been used as much or put into elite does.
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Edgar, WI
A friend of mine had one of those "mid range" bucks that produces sons bigger than him. The buck himself is dead now, but he has semen from this buck. But he struggles to get $500 per straw. I asked him if he wanted to move some and discount the price and he said no way that he will keep it and use it himself. Based on the production from this buck I would say that is a good idea.
It would be interesting to see how many does each buck is bred to and what they produced from those breedings. But I do think that the "name brand" bucks don't breed as many does as some might think though. Because of the fact most of those bucks are limited in sales, and there are soooooo many bucks to choose from these days.
I still think the buck that has one of the most impressive histories and is still very under rated is Avalanche. And now there are 2 Avalanche sons out there that I think could carry on this type of production.
It would be interesting to see how many does each buck is bred to and what they produced from those breedings. But I do think that the "name brand" bucks don't breed as many does as some might think though. Because of the fact most of those bucks are limited in sales, and there are soooooo many bucks to choose from these days.
I still think the buck that has one of the most impressive histories and is still very under rated is Avalanche. And now there are 2 Avalanche sons out there that I think could carry on this type of production.
Dennis, the Millers are great people to do business with and have always represented themselves and this industry well. A TRUE CLASS ACT !!!!! We have a doe there now that just fawned to Matrix and she is a Maxbo/Fireball. I do agree that 500 is around the corner and I'm sure the Millers will be the first to say "GREAT JOB" to whomever takes the title. Most in the industry know the difference in scores. Time will weed out the bad. It always has.
Micheal,
Don't let that doe go......I'm telling you Fireball does are producing!! I bet you will find she produces well for you..........if you think you want to sell her let me know!!
Don't let that doe go......I'm telling you Fireball does are producing!! I bet you will find she produces well for you..........if you think you want to sell her let me know!!
