Sores on fawns mouths!!!!

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We have discovered several bottle fed fawns with deep lesions on their mouths. These lesions have invaded the surrounding soft tissue. They start with pen sores on the outside of the mouth causing swelling and often lesions on the inside of the lips. (see pics). The scabs from these lesions seem to be convex. Our worst case as seen in an attached pic has an isolated swelling that runs from the front of the top lip back along the top jaw to just in front and below the ear where a soft marble sized pocket has formed.



These fawns were pulled after approximately 24 hrs after birth, put in individual crates with no contact to other fawns, under extremely clean conditions. Bottles and nipples are very clean with no cross contamination. All fawns are weeks apart in age.-Randy Gottfredson Director of Animal Health



Anyone had this experience? If so what did you do and what happened?

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I know someone who had issues similar to this a couple of years ago.

Does is smell putrid? If so this could maybe be necrobaccillosis (sp).

If so it must be treated or they die very quickly. He used penicillin 1cc every other day.

It is like a flesh eating disease and will eat all the tissue away.
 
Isaac, I just talked to your Dad and Randy and I'm thinking it's Fusobacterium necrophorum and I'd treat with Penicillin combined with Streptomycin and that should cover both gram negitive as well as gram positive organisms. Also vaccinate with Fusogard 2cc per fawn. Fusogard is a Fusobacterium Necrophorum bacterin meaning a vaccine made from bacteria. Get the newborns vaccinated ASAP with the 2cc of Fusogard. I wouldn't raise fawns without it !! You local vet should have some but if your Dad can't get any fast enough I have some here and I'm only 30-40 minutes from you ..Just my opinion .
 
Has anybody considered "sore mouth"? On the first picture, without the swelling, it looks as though there is a yellowish tint to the nose, which resembles that of early stage sore mouth. I think sore mouth starts out with blisters and swelling of the lips and gums and then the blisters dried up and scabbed over.



I will do some goggle research and post back....





Edit Added --

Not sure if this is it or not. The pictures Isaac took kind of remind me of the way our lambs would get when they had sore mouth. That was a long time ago and I was only about the age of Isaac at the time. I have retired a lot of brain cells since then, so I could be way off base.



Here is a brochure on sore mouth.



http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/orf_virus/pdf/06_106555_PGM_FAQ_final.pdf





Good luck,

John
 
Thank you for your quick response. Curtis your help and past year problem will save us fawn loss. Ross thank you for sharing fuso guard with us. Dawn is on her way to your ranch to pick up any extra. We are giving penicillin to all bottle fawns. Our vet did culture test and should have results Monday. Great to have such wonderful support. Thank you Isaac his Dad (Scott) and the Applecreek team!!!











Introduction



Necrobacillosis is also known as necrotic stomatitis, hepatic necrobacillosis, foot rot, calf diphtheria and lumpy jaw. It produces a variety of diseases, with abscessation occurring in almost any body organ or joint cavity. In white-tailed deer it is usually seen as individual cases of lumpy jaw or as a fatal infection of multiple fawns.





Cause



Necrobacillosis is caused by Fusobacterium necrophorum, an anaerobic, gram negative, often highly filamentous rod-like bacteria. Being "anaerobic" means that it likes to grow in places where there is very little air or oxygen. This organism is found in the intestines of many species as part of the normal flora. It survives well in wet soil that has a high manure content. Other bacteria are often associated with the disease, Arcanobacterium pyogenes being the most common.

Transmission



Animals develop necrobacillosis when a number of factors are present. Stress such as heat, cold, overcrowding or poor nutrition predispose to infection. Fusobacterium cannot penetrate intact skin. The organism gains entry into the body through cuts or abrasions to the skin or mucous membranes. In the mouth, grass awns, coarse feed, metal objects, and unevenly worn or newly erupting teeth can penetrate or damage the oral lining and create points of entry. Contamination of the abrasions with soil containing F. necrophorum results in an infection. Changes in the rumen environment such as grain overload or sudden changes in feed can damage the stomach lining. This provides a portal of entry for Fusobacterium, where they may then pass to the liver, causing hepatic necrobacillosis, or to other major organs.



In some situations the disease appears to be contagious and there is, no doubt, direct contamination of shared feed bunks and drinking water by infected animals with open lesions. The infectivity or invasiveness of F. necrophorum is enhanced by the presence of other bacteria such as E. coli and A. pyogenes and the presence of these bacteria permit infection by relatively few F. necrophorum organisms (9).





Other species affected



Cases of necrobacillosis have been reported in many species of wild and domestic hoofed animal. In farmed white-tailed and fallow deer, necrobacillosis is recognized as a serious problem of young or newly weaned fawns. There have been large die offs of wild mule deer and white-tailed deer, reindeer and elk (7). Heavy losses of kangaroos and wallabies have occurred in zoos and the wild (4). Foot rot can be a significant problem in cattle, sheep and bison and also wild hoofed stock (6).





Clinical signs



The location in the body of lesions determine what signs are seen. Affected animals are usually depressed and have a fever. Often the hair coat is rough and the animal is thin and doing poorly. Lesions involving the mouth are often deep, invading the surrounding soft tissue and bone creating the classic swollen jaw or face. Animals may go off feed and begin to lose condition as the problem develops. In fawns the lack of nutritional reserve and toxic by-products of the infection lead to a more rapid death.



Lameness is seen when the feet and associated joints are involved. Swelling between the toes is the first sign seen, followed by localized tissue death, spreading to the joints and bones in more advanced cases (5,7,10).



In the throat, necrotic laryngitis will show itself as loud wheezing. Some dead tissue and bacteria may be sucked into the lungs causing abscess formation and pneumonia.



Cases of necrotic rumenitis or stomach abscesses frequently have few signs except weight loss in chronic forms or apparent sudden death.





Post mortem findings



The most common lesions are necrotic ulcers or abscesses of varying depth on oral, pharyngeal (throat), or laryngeal mucous membranes. In severe cases, lesions extend into the nasal cavity, upper and lower jaw bones, larynx, trachea and lungs. Spread of F. necrophorum through the bloodstream may cause abscesses in internal organs. The abscesses contain foul smelling, thick purulent material having a greenish tinge. Rumen lesions are characterized by well defined, yellow, raised foci of necrosis. These extend deep into the rumen wall and can perforate, leading to peritonitis, or infection of the abdominal cavity (10).





Diagnosis



Clinical signs and history are usually sufficient to establish a diagnosis. The organism is difficult to grow, making culture and isolation difficult without special culture swabs and growth medium. Identification of the organism in lesions can be made with a flourescent antibody test (7). There is also a blood test (ELISA) for the detection of serum antibodies to F. necrophorum in sheep and cattle (2). However, these tests may not be presently available to all pathology laboratories.





Treatment



Early detection of necrobacillosis is important if the disease is to be treated. The long term results of treatment are not encouraging. Affected animals should be isolated from healthy animals. Feeding and drinking areas and working facilities should be cleaned and disinfected to prevent spread of the organism. Antibiotics are indicated for therapy. Although, like most drugs, they are not currently licensed for use in deer. Procaine penicillin is likely most effective with tetracyclines and sulfonamides being used as well. Where possible abscesses should be drained and flushed to remove debris and toxins. Debris and pus from the lesion should not be allowed to contaminate the treatment area. Collect and incinerate the material in a plastic bag. Amputation of a toe may be required in severe cases of foot rot where there is bone and joint involvement.





Prevention



As with most diseases, prevention is much more rewarding than treatment. Good management practices form a large part of any control or prevention program.



* Stress from overcrowding, social or hierarchy instability, inappropriate mixing of sexes and ages, or poor animal handling technique should be minimized.

* Good general hygiene should be practised with attention paid to control of excessive fecal contamination of paddocks, holding and handling facilities, and feeding equipment. Hay offered on the ground will become contaminated with urine and feces.

* Do not use preventative antibiotics without a diagnosis or good evidence of infection. In the long term, more problems will be created than will be prevented.

* Food structure (coarseness) is probably not as important as the nutritional quality of food. Poor quality food decreases resistance to disease in general.. There is some evidence that mucosal skin integrity depends on adequate vitamin A and C levels (4). Deficiency of these vitamins may predispose animals to necrobacillosis infection by making invasion easier.

* The type of soil underfoot may play a role in the persistence and transmission of F. necrophorum. Clay and other water retaining types of soil are thought to support bacterial life better than well drained sandy soils (4). Whatever the soil type, avoid poorly drained paddocks and moist areas to raise deer.







Vaccination



Vaccination will never replace good management practices. However when faced with persistent disease vaccination may be an option. There is no commercial vaccine licensed for prevention of necrobacillosis in deer but variable results have been observed with Fusogard™ (Novartis). Fusogard™ is a pure F. necrophorum bacterin designed to prevent footrot and liver abscesses in cattle. Some deer producers claim to have achieved good protective results and others have been disappointed. Its usefulness in deer species has never been scientifically established.



Because necrobacillosis is most often a mixed bacterial infection (F. necrophorum plus others), it may be that every farm outbreak involves a unique combination of bacteria, similar but different from each other. The use of "autogenous" vaccines may therefore hold more promise. Autogenous bacterins are made up separately for each infected farm from bacteria derived from infections on that particular premises. (Auto genous = self generated)



Animals are inoculated with a product made up from bacteria obtained from lesions on that farm, creating a more specific and effective immunity to the necrobacillosis organisms. Autogenous vaccines have been used to treat necrobacillosis in sick animals as well as prevent disease in healthy ones. Both uses have not been adequately tested in white-tailed deer and further investigation is needed to determine their usefulness.
 
John Swank, We don't think it is sore mouth. Sore mouth can be identified by the shape of the scab on the lesion. Sore mouth scabs are concave in shape, these lesions are convex in shape.
 
Isaac@AppleCreek said:
John Swank, We don't think it is sore mouth. Sore mouth can be identified by the shape of the scab on the lesion. Sore mouth scabs are concave in shape, these lesions are convex in shape.



Atta boy, Isaac.... You are all over this one. :D



Keep up the good work.





John
 
Thanks again to all who helped today. Thank you Ross (wooden Acres) By meeting Dawn and sharing Fusoguard we were able to treat all but one bottle feed fawn. Be assured if you need us to walk on hot coals for you just ask. As we learn we will share. -Scott & Isaac Follett
 
Scott and Isaac I have more coming in on TUESDAY as I've had others ask for it too . If you need any more just let me know before Monday and I'll get as much as you need . I'm sorry that bottle wasn't completely full as it will treat 50 fawns per bottle . We can order on Monday and have it Tuesday if you need some . Your very welcome and I thank you for all the info and seminars you hold for us !!
 
Does anyone have experience using it on Whitetail deer....Will that help cure them or just a preventitive?

I give it but never had a problem...
 
I give the fawns Fusogaurd at 2 weeks and again at 4 weeks....I would assume it is a preventitive unless you are experiecing problems and then it helps to cure the problem...this would be my guess.......I give it because i am following the advice of a farmer whom I respect and has raised a lot of fawns. Now I'm learning just how important it is to give the fusogaurd.......I know the fusogaurd is to help protect against lumpy jaw......is this what the fawn in the above post is experiencing???
 
We vaccinate with Fuso, but I don't think you should think of it as a treatment. All vaccines will say on the label to administer only to healthy animals. Think about getting a flu shot - they give you a little bit of the bug so that your body can build a natural immunity. If you already have the flu, getting the shot can make you way more sick. Tetracyclines are the common treatment for these strains of bacterias, then once the animal is healthy, definitely vaccinate.
 
Since you had the fawns isolated and your nipples clean don't forget to consider alergic reaction to the nipple. Latex alergies occur in deer as well as humans, so if you are using latex nipples, consider changing to buna or nitrile. Not suggesting this is the cause, just pointing out that sometimes it is not bacterial that causes issues like this.
 
Just remembered something that my goat expert told me - staff can present in little ant bite looking blisters, then spread. Staff is everywhere, even if you are super crazy clean in your procedures.
 
Wooden acres said:
Scott and Isaac I have more coming in on TUESDAY as I've had others ask for it too . If you need any more just let me know before Monday and I'll get as much as you need . I'm sorry that bottle wasn't completely full as it will treat 50 fawns per bottle . We can order on Monday and have it Tuesday if you need some . Your very welcome and I thank you for all the info and seminars you hold for us !!

We have 500 shots coming in on Monday. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!!:D:D:D

Robbie, Thank you for your advice how do we treat for staff? Randy is also looking at tetracycline. I understand that you should not give the fusoguard to sick fawns.

Scott Heinrich, I never thought of the fawns being allergic to latex gloves or nipples. We will look into that as soon as possible!!!
 
I believe penicillin is a treatment for staph. Of course, it will depend on the strain, and suseptibilities....and if that is even what your fawns have. However, penicillin is such a good broad spectrum drug, you probably can't go wrong with it until you get a diagnosis.



Tetracyclines and Peniciliin do not mix. They counter the way each other works, and nullify each others effects. So, pick one or the other.
 
Milk can also impede the effects of tetracyclines, so if you must use it on a bottle fawn, either administer between feedins so that digestion has already occurred, or feed water for a feeding so that the drug can get metabolized into the system.
 
Thank you Robbie, for the Explanation and the proticall. I will share it with the Applecreek Team.

PaintedMeadowsBJs, yes the vet did a culture test on friday by squeezing puss out of the cheek. We should have results by Monday!

It has happened to five fawns that we have quarantined.

We clean our bottles and nipples first with soap, then with tectral, and last with water to rinse. And then a high pressure beer bottle rinse. Dr. Todd from MI. called today and recommended us storing the clean bottles in the freezer.

Being my father was in the food business for so many years he puts high importance on cleanliness.
 

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