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Tissue Banking for Genetic Preservation, Cloning

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Northern, Minnesota
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Tissue Banking for Genetic Preservation, Cloning

We recommend everyone to tissue bank any buck or doe with extremely elite genetics. Cost is $1,500 to gene bank. Gene bank does not commit anyone to cloning, however, if cloning is an option for your animal it is the 1st and most vital step in the cloning process. Don’t wait until it is too late. Cloning is the best form of insurance in the industry because you get your animal back at a fraction of the animals value.
 
To each his own!



That is the very same words I received from several people when I started Whitetail Quest about 8 years ago when there were only about 25 deer farmers in the United States and Canada doing AI.



And whether I believe in it or not I posted it for someone that does.



And then I know there are some people that fit the description of a FROG IN A WELL!
 
Please explain this process, the options it creates for someone, etc.. I'm familiar with cloning, but didn't know its use in deer. Has it been used on deer yet?

I understand there are some that would probably use it, myself, no. I'm sure there are many things that will be available in the future that we will have choices on.
 
http://www.whitetaildeerfarmer.com/ has added a new service contact to our website



Service Type: Tissue Banking for Genetic Preservation, Cloning

Wildlife Reflections, LLC

Todd Stroud, MS

Gregg Veneklassen, DVM

Jason Abraham

817-629-6607

Email: [email protected]

Comment: We recommend everyone to tissue bank any buck or doe with extremely elite genetics. Cost is $1,500 to gene bank. Gene bank does not commit anyone to cloning, however, if cloning is an option for your animal it is the 1st and most vital step in the cloning process. Don’t wait until it is too late. Cloning is the best form of insurance in the industry because you get your animal back at a fraction of the animals value. Please call for additional information and prices for cloning.
 
just look how far deer breeding has come in the last ten years, so.... I should gene bank my deer so in ten years I can have more of the same..... wouldn't that make me ten years behind????
 
CurtisLloyd said:
just look how far deer breeding has come in the last ten years, so.... I should gene bank my deer so in ten years I can have more of the same..... wouldn't that make me ten years behind????



I agree Curtis, there is really know reason to do this
 
Quote from my own post in (Cervid Farming Resources), Mid America Classic Auction ……When I first started whitetail quest and wrote and edited the page (How to Artificial Inseminate a Whitetail Doe) there were only about 25 deer farmers in the United States that were doing AI.

Within a couple years the CWD scare came about and pushed many farmers (to) do AI as they were unable to move live deer.

…..In order to keep the industry moving forward we need to keep the info I have posted available to all new and perspective customers.

….As with any venture many have to be dragged kicking and screaming to get where they need to go.



And now to continue…. To look at it rationally question yourself how many deer farms including yourself would there be now if I had not started Whitetail Quest.

Without semen sales how many Auctioneers would have been able to continue in business as most states would not allow live animals to be moved. Everyone had to wait 5 years.

BUT NO the industry grew by leaps and bounds with new record sales all because they had something to sell and were able to sell it.

I had about 2500 phone numbers and E-mail addresses of deer farmers when I started Whitetail Quest And I personally called about 1000 of them and emailed all I had about my website, this made it grow!.

Quote from Roger ….I'm going to step out on the limb and say it...cloning is crap and shouldn't be done.

The End

Quote from Me ....That is the very same words I received from several people when I started Whitetail Quest about 8 years ago when there were only about 25 deer farmers in the United States and Canada doing AI.



So now I have posted a new concept (Cloning) and I thought that maybe those frogs at the bottom of the well had floated to the top and looked around and seen that there are other concepts to deer farming other than their own. This discussion should be about why do Cloning and be considered an option for only those that qualify.

So now let’s just look at another thread



Quotes from (Events and Activities), Ohio Auction Starts tomorrow!!! ….several 200'' bucks went from 1400 being the lowest up to8000 for a 250'' and 11000 for a 300'' seemed like average price for 230'' was 4200 your more cleaner 200'' bucks brought a little more 4900 to 6000…



…..then you had what the hunters want 190 clean 6x6 no extras bring 5700…



…… It seems to me that the prices arent to bad as long as you have good looking deer. If you have a junk mess 200 and a beautiful 180 I would think that the the 180 would deff sell better so if i was a perserve owner i would be willing to spend more on the 180 than the 200.



Post like these have been there many times, so the deer farmer that is able to grow a buck that is able to look like and is larger than the Milo Hanson buck that can consistently produce offspring that has his antler producing traits will be a winner.

Then you have to look at the life expectancy of a Whitetail and how long he is able to produce..

The question then is do you clone him just to be able to draw more semen to continue these traits as this only produces a buck for one reason and that is to go to the shooting preserves.

On the negative side there is already more semen in storage than will be used in the next ten years.



Then you could look at traits like larger meat producing animal.

What the Industry needs for that is a market strategy that can consistently sell meat products to consumers.



These are the types of post this thread should produce and not the negative ones.



Because those little frogs down in the well will drown when it gets full because they can only see the little light above their own head and stay down there.



To keep moving ahead look for more positive ideas!



I posted this service on my website as a messenger not the author.



Think OUTSIDE the box, because the inside has a top, bottom and four sides.



On my website at the very bottom you will find my name is a link to where you can read Quotes I live by.





Wayne Pederson @ http://www.whitetaildeerfarmer.com/
 
Another note

Where would you and the Whitetail deer industry be? if it was not for people like Marvin Ference and Russell Sawchuk who brought you this website and all its information, also Kevin Grace and Fred Heubner who promoted video auctions.

I promoted AI with Whitetail Quest when I wrote and edited How to Artificially Inseminate a Whitetail Doe.

(Almost everyone that is a deer farmer at one time or another has read that webpage and learned how simple it was, and according to my statistics they still are reading it at an average of 200 readers per month).



These are just a few things that have happened in the last 10 years that has moved the industry forward.



So look back and see how you got where you are right now.

What you take for normal now was not so 10 or 15 years ago.



Those with forethought and ambition to look and work ahead will to be the leaders in the future; the rest will all be followers.



Wayne Pederson @ http://www.whitetaildeerfarmer.com/
 
Here is my take on this........................Cloning is not new. Texas A&M has cloned several WT deer and the results although genetically identical to the donor deer, did not produce a deer with the identical growth characteristics. Therefore, cloning is at best a way to preserve genetics, much like semen collecting and line breeding. Having another tool in our toolbox is not always a bad thing. I believe if it becomes economical in the future, some of us opposed to it now may reconsider our positions. I'm one that keeps an open mind and likes to know there are more options available to proliforate the genetics I want to keep. I have a 22 year old doe and wish her genetics would be available later to use in the production of future long term producers.
 
Jeff Goldblum's line in Jurassic park comes to mind when being asked his opinion on what he thought of Jurassic Park.



I think the division on the issue gets fueled by the fact that the suggestion of opposition automatically catagorizes one as being a frog, a kicking and screaming tantrum thrower, and now a follower.:(



AI has done great things for the industry and so has this website but to assume anyone affiliated with a successful venture suddenly has the midas touch :rolleyes:....I'll let time be the judge of that.



Getting people who have earned much respect (i.e Scott) on board will do more for the promotion of the above mentioned services more so than trying to snuff out the naysayers.