We are getting ready to worm our bred does and are planning to use ivomec pig wormer. Are we safe using this?
Worming bred does
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I use the Safe guard pellet, and nuromycin seems not to effect the fawns even at high dose, but im no vet
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upstate ny
We also use safeguard pellets and we also use valbazen after fawning or early in the fall to battle liver flukes if needed.We also give any deer we touch a shot of ivomec plus..
Seems to work for us!!!!
Seems to work for us!!!!
Joined Oct 2009
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upstate ny
Yup have no idea about pig wormer.Just though we could give him some other options if he didnt have any luck with the pig wormer!!!! Cant ever get to much info in these eyes!
Joined May 2009
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Tuscaloosa, Alabama
I've used it before with no problems. Getting ready to do it again soon. It's for internal and external parasites
We put ivome plus in the water 2 cc pur deer at night with just what water they will drink up that night the sun light will kill it if it is not all gone by day light. We have not used pig wormer.
Joe Headley
Joe Headley
i use Epirnex pour on at a rate of 1cc per 20lbs of body weight. I apply this time of year as soon as the pens start getting soft/muddy. Then For the bucks i will give another does 10 days after. Just to get them off on the right foot for spring and the antler growing season. Never have done the pig wormer.
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Saskatchewan, Canada
We have an article that will be published in this issue of Deer Tracking Magazine on Worming Medications For Deer Dr. Ken Waldrup. (According to vets we've spoken to, he's the "guy in the know" about wormers and deer.
IF your pig wormer is imidazothiazole (levamisole) it is not useful in cervids according to Dr. Waldrup. Quote " In other livestock such as cattle and swine, this drug group is useful, but not with cervids....it comes in oral, injectible and a pour on formulations for cattle and swine. Cervids absorb the drug well enough, but their metabolism breaks down the drug so fast that it never gets a chance to work against the nematodes."
Regarding safeguard (fenbendazole)- Nematodes develop resistance to it rapidly if used repeatedly... Could be throwing money away with repeated use.
Albendazole (like Valbezan) can cause birth defects if used during pregnancy.
Entire article will be published in the Spring issue of Deer Tracking. Very informative.
Hope this helps.
IF your pig wormer is imidazothiazole (levamisole) it is not useful in cervids according to Dr. Waldrup. Quote " In other livestock such as cattle and swine, this drug group is useful, but not with cervids....it comes in oral, injectible and a pour on formulations for cattle and swine. Cervids absorb the drug well enough, but their metabolism breaks down the drug so fast that it never gets a chance to work against the nematodes."
Regarding safeguard (fenbendazole)- Nematodes develop resistance to it rapidly if used repeatedly... Could be throwing money away with repeated use.
Albendazole (like Valbezan) can cause birth defects if used during pregnancy.
Entire article will be published in the Spring issue of Deer Tracking. Very informative.
Hope this helps.
Joined May 2009
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Chillicothe, Missouri
We use Ivormec pig wormer we also use Safe Gaurd Pellets as well as Valbasin in our feed at different times of the year and any time we have our hands our deer we give them 6cc(adult) and 3cc fawns in Feb.) sub q of Ivermec Plus. we also always try to worm when a full moon occurs we have been told by numeous vets and deerfarmers that worms are more active during this moon phase. And has served us well
3cc's of Ivomec Plus to fawns?? Holy moley! My vet gave my 9 month old doe fawn a 1.5 cc shot of Ivomec (for bovine & swine), and she is still recovering 2 days later. Her appetite has fallen off significantly and she was in pain from the shot for about 15 minutes!
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Chillicothe, Missouri
Lanasvet said:
Yep.... 3cc Ivormec Plus for cattle, Fawns did fine with very few showed loss of appetite and had they was it the wormer or the Covexen 8 or the Ehd ? We have done the same for 5 years now!
She was vaccinated at end of her 3rd month and also had about 2 days of lost appetite post EHD and Covexin-8 vaccines. No probs with Draxxin ever... but the Ivomec 1.5cc shot did bother her a bit. The Vet also bent the 22gauge needle when administering it, so it also could be from the "injury" of the bent needle. Who knows for sure? In your opinion would 3cc's of Ivomec be OK for a doe fawn (9 months) who weighs ~70-80lbs?? Thanks for any info you can convey. I also am wondering whether a follow-up shot should be given in 30 days, in your opinion? 3cc's again?
Follow-up shots are important after 30 days. Reason is the eggs of the worms are not effected and start to hatch and you want to kill them before they can lay new eggs. I worm mine like this in spring and in fall giving follow-up shots after each initial worming or just giving them safe guard in their feed.
Ohdeer:
Does Dr. Waldrup give any treatment recomendations in the article? Regarding the safegaurd, alot of deer farmers use it or are interested in using it. Does the Dr. recommend a treatment protocal so as to avoid resistance?
I am looking forward to reading the article.
Thanks.
Does Dr. Waldrup give any treatment recomendations in the article? Regarding the safegaurd, alot of deer farmers use it or are interested in using it. Does the Dr. recommend a treatment protocal so as to avoid resistance?
I am looking forward to reading the article.
Thanks.
ohdeer said:
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Saskatchewan, Canada
Hi Daniel,
Yes, Dr. Waldrup suggests that Safeguard is a very useful drug-once (not . It must be used in a rotating system with an endecticide (Ivermectin, doromectin or moxidectin group) to be most effective. Fenbendozole (safeguard) is also not effective against deer liver flukes, but albendazoles (like valbezan) are.
I am not being very clear here, but Dr. Waldrup does an amazing job of clarifying worming medications. He truly has had the best (and easy to understand) explanation I have heard.
Hope that helps.
Yes, Dr. Waldrup suggests that Safeguard is a very useful drug-once (not . It must be used in a rotating system with an endecticide (Ivermectin, doromectin or moxidectin group) to be most effective. Fenbendozole (safeguard) is also not effective against deer liver flukes, but albendazoles (like valbezan) are.
I am not being very clear here, but Dr. Waldrup does an amazing job of clarifying worming medications. He truly has had the best (and easy to understand) explanation I have heard.
Hope that helps.
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*******, PA
How close to fawning do you usually worm? How close can it be done safely? What are your guys opinions?