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JC, for me and my opinion, a power doe is one that produces CONSISTANT. All sons are what you are looking for in your program. But more important to me, her daughters are good producers too. I truely believe that all farms have a "power doe". it is our job to cross her with the right buck to let her shine.
 
I agree with Arrowhead, but when you usually find out they are power does, they are either dead or you have sold her.
 
Our "power does" are our Jack the Ripper daughters. We have crossed them with many different bloodlines and they seem to always produce. We've had the largest three year old RDM Goliath son out of them, and the largest yearling, two year old and three year old Blue Mt. Bill sons out of them, to name a few. Luckily we've hung on to a group of them. Not only that, they produce deer our hunters like - which is the key.
 
I agree with that also... she has to be able to consistantly produce not matter what buck your putting with her. For instance our TRAN doe she has had 5 bucks and 1 doe and those 5 bucks are either well over 200inches or right at 200inches as yearlings and now at 2 years old two of those bucks are 238" and 279". And the great thing about tran is she is only 3 years old! That is what a power doe to us is.
 
We published a winter issue a few years back, for those who have it- it is the red one with the doe on the front cover. The entire issue was dedicated to power does and Randy wrote up a pretty good definition in one of the articles. Perhaps that will help.
 
So I take it that its a gamble by looks versus pedigree. Big doe body, wedge head, tall and full can still mean, "wittle bucks"

Thanks for the replys.

JC
 
The value of the doe in the herd can be measured by the performance of her offspring towards the breeders objectives.What are your objectives?I don't care how good the pedigree is on paper if her conformation is wrong,she is out.She has to not only drop fawns,she has to ween them,if the time comes & she has no fawn, what good is pedigree?Looking at her tree. is it from a tight line?If there are animals in there from distant lines or sub species it will be five generations of good breeding before you can consistently predict heritability after your first cross.Remember the girls give 100% MDNA (cell energy)& 50% RDNA (conformation).What is often over looked is the good ones who know their way around can sometimes make you feel like you know what your doing. Cheers Sharkey
 
Hmm, There is a particular body "Look" that I would like to get developed in my does first.

I really like the Big headed, Roman nosed , for lack of a better word, Ohio or Canadian deer first and then develop the "Look", again in the antlers.

I'm sure most know what I am talking about, and no offense to anyone in the "Industry" but I just want something that is different.

Our 3.5, 4.5 old bucks here in Ohio are just " Hawgs" if you know what I mean.

So should I concentrate on this with the doe's first I take it?

Thanks.

JC
 
G'day JC .Im sorry mate,you'll have to explain your objectives more clearly (lost in translation) Guarantee you won't offend me. Cheers Sharkey
 
Not sure how to explain it. I know what I would like to have, will just have to work it thru till I get there. Thanks Though Everyone.
 
We recently picked up a doe that does not have the super names in the industry sitting in her pedigree by any means. BUT, she is a proven doe. She is what I consider a "Power Doe". Every year she has had one buck fawn and a doe or two. Her oldest was 3 this year and scored 330 with a damaged rack. Her only 2 year old son scored 280. And last but not least her yearling this year score 176" With a beautiful wide fairly clean rack. We value pass down in Power does more than names. We were very excited to get this doe to add to our herd. BTW, She was bred extremely well this year with alot of hope in what she can do ;-)



We also have a doe that will have her first yearling buck grow up this year. She is the largest bodied doe I have ever laid eyes on. On top of her sheer weight and size she had a head that is unlike any other I have seen. She looks almost like a mule deer with larger than normal ears and heavy large head. Her fawns so far have looked nearly identical to her. I am kind of excited to see what her buck fawn turns out be this year when he grows his first antlers. He was the largest ever on the farm with 1 1/2" across buttons and a huge body. Although the mother has proven nothing to date yet she is just one of those that is different and hopefully she adds the bonus of massive antler passdown. One can only wish right.......



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I use to spend summers in Sardinia, OH at the family farm when I was growing up. Used to drive to Hillsboro all the time
 
That's what I'm talking about and looking for. My personal info page has a phot of a doe that is like that and I'm excited to see what she will produce. Her large frame dwarfs the other deer in the pen. Tat is what Im looking for Like a mule deer doe. Jack, you out there???
 
I will be a little more specific, does that produce deer like this - Jack daughters crossed with High Roller and Blue Mt. Bill.
 

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I like the looks, they're bodie size and antlers compliment eachother. Who is photo #1,2,and 4.

They remind me of PWF farms deer

JC
 
#1 is Big Time out of Blue Mt. Bill/Jack doe, #2 is So Big out of Blue Mt. Bill/Jack doe - both are 3 years old. #4 is Buzz out of High Roller/Jack doe at 4. He scored 326. So Big scored about 350 and will be seen on the Keith Warren show filmed at our place - he had an antler infection we had to treat.
 
I have seen a few farms here and there that had Jack does. ALL of them produced extremely well. Usually they are the largest bodied and heaviest antlered on the farm. Definitely a line to look at as Wild Rivers is proving!
 
To me, a power doe is one that if......you took 10 does of somewhat equal breeding(not the same exact breeding but equal measurements of parents) breed them all to the same buck . Breed with a different buck every year for 10 years. They all have at least one buck fawn each year. This "power" does sons would be head and shoulders larger , "better" , however you personally judge "better", than all the other sons. Consistent,predictable, expected in the later years of your experiment. You may reproduce her exact breeding but never duplicate her results....Power Doe . Jim
 

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