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Experiment with fawns. HELP

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We do not bottle feed but have just started an experiment in one of our doe pens and would greatly appreciate any input.



My doe pens are about half an acre and we have about 8-10 bred does per pen.



We circled an area of about 15' x 45' with a 2 feet fence and we are starting to place all new born fawns in that area. There is shelter, water and feed in that same area so the does need to jump in in order to feed, drink or nurse.



Our intention is that the fawns may become tamer (atleast tamer that if they were free in the entire pen), without the need to bottle feed. We spend some time daily there and may give them treats or a quick drink of milk on the bottle every now and then.



Have any of you tried this before? Works? Doesn't? Makes no difference?



We just don't want to do something that might harm the fawns.



Thanks for your input.



Ed
 

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I don't think they will ever bond with you as long as they can still get milk from mom. The only reason they take the bottle from us is they are starving usually, around 24 hrs of no milk before they take to the bottle.

I do think they will be less scared of you and may be able to pet them, but to have them take the bottle, I don't think so.

If you do get it to work be sure and let us know as it would be alot less work on me and quite a few others
 
Thanks for your posts. Well appreciated. Unfortunately I dont have the time nor the people to bottle feed in my ranch so relatively tame deer seems overly acceptable. Right now without more than a few bottlefeeds I have many others very tame and can pet and feed by hand. But wanted to experiment on a more general manner. Right now am doing it only in one pen and if it works hopefully will implement in the rest.



Just found a couple of previous treads on imprinting fawns were others appear to have done something very similar and has worked well to them. Will inquire further as they now seem to do it every year without bottlefeeding.



Here are the treads in case you are interested



http://www.deerforums.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=4460&highlight=Imprinting



And



http://www.deerforums.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=2585&highlight=Imprinting



Thanks again



Ed
 
I think it could work. If you can spend time with them in a smaller area it would have to help. Some will always be calmer than others but it is worth a shot.
 
We feed our deer old bread from outlet store. They all come up and beg and fight for the treat. When the does decide to bring in there fawns for this event, daily, they learn we are no threat and some get as tame as a lot of bottle feds without ever doing any thing special. works for us.
 
i've done this on both a smaller scale as well as a larger one. I've had it to where I had 6-8 doe fawns inside this "fawn" pen and spent as much time as possible in there until they could jump out. we also wiped them for the simple fact that they would associate that nurturing with us. at a year old we cannot pet those deer but can get feet from them and they are comfortable.



on the other hand i just tried it again this year with 20-25 in each and it didn't work. too many fawns to make sure they are getting enough milk and proper care becasue we had a handful of does go in and feed any one that was hungry and we started having nutrition problems.



if you are going to do this i would only do doe fawns and not more than 10...just from my experience
 
My fear with this is that when each doe goes in to feed her fawns, she is going to be protective and not let some other does in to feed their fawns. Then the possiblity of fights is lurking around with the fawns caught in the crossfire.



I wish you luck !!
 
Ed - I foresee some potential and/or eventual problems with ''all'' those fawns being in such a small area and expecting ''one'' mother to come in ''all'' those fawns, and feed hers only. I think Jack brought out a real concern and danger zone. Spiderman - couldn't agree with you more. Ed - I just got done typing a post on taming deer on the ''Health and Wellness'' forum before I came here. It is entitled ''Taming Deer - How To'' and I would suggest/recommend you read it. I believe it will help you in what you are trying to achieve. It parallels what Spiderman spoke of. Whatever you do Ed, best of luck!
 
Your points are all excellent and I really appreciate. The last thing I want is to harm my fawns. I will overlook in the following days and decide from there. Maybe the wisest thing would be to take the fence down and let the mothers teach the fawns not to be scared of us.



Thanks



E
 
LJwhitetails said:
look at the post on" taming deer", all of our deer are tame but this is something I will be trying



Me too, I wonder if it would work on semi tame yearling does.
 
Just decided to take down the fence. Will do first thing in the morning as I already have a couple more does about to give birth. The two fawns I have in there initially still look good and healthy but the mother seems to feed them too quickly and jumps out of the 2f fence. Im woried she might not be nurturing them enough and I will not risk it. I will also start with the bread in addition to our daily aple flavour corn we give as treat every day.



Thanks for all your great advice.



E
 
Ed - You witnessed something that brings out another good point and concern for your ''experiment'' that obviously you recognize. The set up allows the doe to feed the fawns when she wants to, but doesn't allow the fawns to feed when they want to. I think you made a wise decision to dismantle. Best of luck!
 
Took down the fence and the fawns are already running close to mom. Glad I did as half an hour later I got two maxbo fans on the ground right in the exact place where the fence used to be. Im so excited.



E
 
I studied deer behavior for 2 masters degrees. Even grown deer will become habituated to human presence. We aren't bottle feeding unless we have a problem with a fawn that needs be be taken. We don't feel like we need our deer tame enough to pet. When the fawns are born I tag and give shots. I'll carry that fawn around for 5 or 10 minutes petting it and talking to it. Most of the wild ones calm down in that amount of time. Every day we check pens I'll pick them up and carry them until they get big enough to run. They have been imprinted enough that they are much calmer than fawns we don't pick up. I spend as much time in the pens as I do bottle feeding when the fawns start getting a little older. I'll sit at the trough and throw animal crackers. They gradually get a little tamer. When we wean we put the fawns in 20X100' holding pens at our barn. We will leave several of these open at a time so they have enough room. We keep them in the small pens until spring or early summer. They see us from close distances and learn to tolerated us. If I have deer that don't crash a fence if I'm standing in the gate of one of those pens, I'm satisfied that they are ok. Most will come within feet of us. My deer that are tame enough to come within 10 or 20 feet work much better than our bottle feds. They can be a pain trying to move through the handling system. Everyone will be going the right direction and then a bottle fed turns around and walks back to us and the others want to follow. That's what is working best for us. It won't work for everyone.
 

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