The first is a 3yr Rebel son. The second pic is a yearling (Maxin2 son/Numax daughter) that we have high hopes for. Unfortunately he didn't grow that 'drop tine', he damaged his right side somehow. It doesn't appear to be infected but I swear the busted piece has grown. His sire (Maxin 2 son) was going to be marketed as Mighty Max but not only did he majorly damage his first rack but he got killed after breeding season. So we are in for a bit of a surprise!