Joined Feb 2013
780 Posts | 1+
Markleville IN
Maybe we should spin off of the wild hogs being called feral hogs and call wild deer FERAL deer!!!!! HAHA makes them sound more destructive I think.
interesting FACTS
Deer farming worldwide
Numbers of farmed deer worldwide are difficult to obtain. In 1989, estimates were 1.2 million in China, USSR 250,000, Korea 110,000, Australia 40,000, UK 15,000 and North America 6,000 – a total of 1.62 million outside New Zealand. At that time New Zealand had 1.1 million hinds and 500,000 stags – about 50% of the world’s estimated farmed deer. There were also about 2.77 million farmed reindeer, mainly in the USSR.
In 2005 more than 1.7 million deer were being farmed in New Zealand – compared with 5 million dairy cows, almost 40 million sheep and 4.4 million beef cattle. Modern deer farming in New Zealand leads the world – both in its technology and its relative contribution to the national economy.
Although deer farming is relatively new to North America, its history dates back centuries. In prehistoric times, the deer were an important source of food as well as a source for tools and weapons, which were crafted from antler. In Europe, venison became the preferred food of nobility.
deer farming in the US 1908- I came across this and thought many of you might like reading this
http://www.kansascervidbreeders.com/images/Deer-Farming-report-from-1908.pdf
interesting FACTS
Deer farming worldwide
Numbers of farmed deer worldwide are difficult to obtain. In 1989, estimates were 1.2 million in China, USSR 250,000, Korea 110,000, Australia 40,000, UK 15,000 and North America 6,000 – a total of 1.62 million outside New Zealand. At that time New Zealand had 1.1 million hinds and 500,000 stags – about 50% of the world’s estimated farmed deer. There were also about 2.77 million farmed reindeer, mainly in the USSR.
In 2005 more than 1.7 million deer were being farmed in New Zealand – compared with 5 million dairy cows, almost 40 million sheep and 4.4 million beef cattle. Modern deer farming in New Zealand leads the world – both in its technology and its relative contribution to the national economy.
Although deer farming is relatively new to North America, its history dates back centuries. In prehistoric times, the deer were an important source of food as well as a source for tools and weapons, which were crafted from antler. In Europe, venison became the preferred food of nobility.
deer farming in the US 1908- I came across this and thought many of you might like reading this
http://www.kansascervidbreeders.com/images/Deer-Farming-report-from-1908.pdf
Joined Apr 2009
2,617 Posts | 0+
Edgar, WI
B&C Brats and Commies should talk about the commercialization of wildlife. How many years have they been funding themselves off of wildlife??? You think their fees charged for entering, meetings and products sold are not income? Anyone who sells a product associated with hunting or the outdoors is profiting from the commercialization of wildlife. That said, we all know that our animals belong to us and no one else. I always said screw b&c and I still do.
12px;;(37,37,37)Jerilee, I have often thought that. There may be a justification to calling them feral deer.
12px;;(37,37,37)“A feral animal is an animal living in the wild but descended from domesticated individuals.�
12px;;(37,37,37)There is much documentation by states in their “history of deer�. Most states restocked or assisted the growth of the wild herd by reintroducing deer from private preserves in the early 1900’s. These are snips from some of their web-sites. It appears, by definition, the wild deer that exist today, could be classified as “feral deer�, since many of them where descendants from intermingling or supplied by captive deer from private preserves and farms.
12px;;(37,37,37)It is interesting that in the early 1900’s, USDA encouraged the raising of deer, and we were credited in reestablishing and saving the wild herd. Now we are considered as a threat to the wild deer?
12px;;(37,37,37)Gary Olson
12px;;(37,37,37)__________________________________________________________________
12px;'Trebuchet MS';(50,51,51)Reestablishment of Deer [Iowa DNR]
12px;'Trebuchet MS';(50,51,51)Reestablishment of deer into the state e63b7acan be traced to escapes and releases from captive herds and translocation and natural immigration from deer herds in surrounding states.
12px;'Trebuchet MS';(50,51,51)
12px;'Trebuchet MS';(50,51,51)[Mo. MDC]
12px;'Lucida Grande';(32,57,70)additional deer e63b7awere stocked from Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota e63b7aand existing refuges within the state
12px;'Lucida Grande';(32,57,70)[Ark. DNR]
12px;Tahoma e63b7aStocking efforts were initiated and continued for about 20 years on these refuges.
12px;Tahoma
12px;Verdana;(5,25,48)[Ill.DNR]
12px;Prior to the 1950s, occasional e63b7aescapes and releases of deer from privately-owned preserves, translocations conducted by the Illinois Department of Conservation (currently IDNR) and the United States Forest Service, and possibly immigration of deer from adjacent states led to the reintroduction of white-tailed deer in Illinois. Even into the 1970s, it was not that common to see deer in Illinois.
12px;__________________________________________________________________
12px;TimesSnips USDA from report:
12px;TimesIssued July 29, e324001908.
12px;TimesU. S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.
12px;TimesFARMERS' BULLETIN 330.
12px;TimesDEER FARMING IN THE UNITED STATES.
12px;Times ff4013The good effect of such preserves on the supply of game in the State should not be overlooked. e63b7a While they may temporarily restrict the hunting privileges of a few citizens, they ultimately become a source of game supply secondary in importance only to State preserves or game refuges. ff2600Already a number of private reserves have become overstocked, and game has escaped or been turned over to the State to become the property of the people. The success of private enterprise in propagating large game in enclosures has thus become an object lesson for State game commissioners and others, ff2600and suggests the feasibility of the State's undertaking a similar work for the people.
12px;TimesThe wapiti and the Virginia deer can be raised successfully and cheaply under many different conditions of food and climate. The production of venison and the rearing of both species for stocking parks may be made profitable industries in the United States.
12px;Times;(255,64,19) b51a00Instead of hampering breeders by restrictions, as at present, State laws should be so modified as to encourage the raising of deer, elk, and other animals as a source of profit to the individual and to the State b51a00.
12px;TimesSafeguards against the destruction and sale of wild deer in place of domesticated deer are not difficult to enforce. For this purpose..a system of licensing private parks, and of tagging deer or carcasses sold or shipped, so that they may be easily identified, is recommended.
12px;TimesIt is believed that with favorable legislation much otherwise, waste land in the United States may be utilized for the production of venison so as to yield profitable returns, and also that this excellent and nutritious meat, instead of being denied to 99 per cent of the population of the country, may become as common and as cheap in our markets as mutton.
12px;Times____________________________________________________________________
12px;;(68,68,68)Interesting statement on QDMA web-site:
12px;;(68,68,68)QDMA supports the legal, ethical pursuit and taking of wild deer living in adequate native/naturalized habitat in a manner that does not give the hunter an unfair advantage and provides the hunted animals with a reasonable opportunity to escape the hunter. ff4013QDMA is not opposing high-fence operations that meet the above conditions.
12px;So does QDMA support fair-chase preserves?
12px;What is an “unfair advantage� ? Game cameras, scopes, food plots, scents, lures, camouflage, tree stands, blinds, compound bows, etc., Are they against these?
12px;;(37,37,37)“A feral animal is an animal living in the wild but descended from domesticated individuals.�
12px;;(37,37,37)There is much documentation by states in their “history of deer�. Most states restocked or assisted the growth of the wild herd by reintroducing deer from private preserves in the early 1900’s. These are snips from some of their web-sites. It appears, by definition, the wild deer that exist today, could be classified as “feral deer�, since many of them where descendants from intermingling or supplied by captive deer from private preserves and farms.
12px;;(37,37,37)It is interesting that in the early 1900’s, USDA encouraged the raising of deer, and we were credited in reestablishing and saving the wild herd. Now we are considered as a threat to the wild deer?
12px;;(37,37,37)Gary Olson
12px;;(37,37,37)__________________________________________________________________
12px;'Trebuchet MS';(50,51,51)Reestablishment of Deer [Iowa DNR]
12px;'Trebuchet MS';(50,51,51)Reestablishment of deer into the state e63b7acan be traced to escapes and releases from captive herds and translocation and natural immigration from deer herds in surrounding states.
12px;'Trebuchet MS';(50,51,51)
12px;'Trebuchet MS';(50,51,51)[Mo. MDC]
12px;'Lucida Grande';(32,57,70)additional deer e63b7awere stocked from Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota e63b7aand existing refuges within the state
12px;'Lucida Grande';(32,57,70)[Ark. DNR]
12px;Tahoma e63b7aStocking efforts were initiated and continued for about 20 years on these refuges.
12px;Tahoma
12px;Verdana;(5,25,48)[Ill.DNR]
12px;Prior to the 1950s, occasional e63b7aescapes and releases of deer from privately-owned preserves, translocations conducted by the Illinois Department of Conservation (currently IDNR) and the United States Forest Service, and possibly immigration of deer from adjacent states led to the reintroduction of white-tailed deer in Illinois. Even into the 1970s, it was not that common to see deer in Illinois.
12px;__________________________________________________________________
12px;TimesSnips USDA from report:
12px;TimesIssued July 29, e324001908.
12px;TimesU. S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.
12px;TimesFARMERS' BULLETIN 330.
12px;TimesDEER FARMING IN THE UNITED STATES.
12px;Times ff4013The good effect of such preserves on the supply of game in the State should not be overlooked. e63b7a While they may temporarily restrict the hunting privileges of a few citizens, they ultimately become a source of game supply secondary in importance only to State preserves or game refuges. ff2600Already a number of private reserves have become overstocked, and game has escaped or been turned over to the State to become the property of the people. The success of private enterprise in propagating large game in enclosures has thus become an object lesson for State game commissioners and others, ff2600and suggests the feasibility of the State's undertaking a similar work for the people.
12px;TimesThe wapiti and the Virginia deer can be raised successfully and cheaply under many different conditions of food and climate. The production of venison and the rearing of both species for stocking parks may be made profitable industries in the United States.
12px;Times;(255,64,19) b51a00Instead of hampering breeders by restrictions, as at present, State laws should be so modified as to encourage the raising of deer, elk, and other animals as a source of profit to the individual and to the State b51a00.
12px;TimesSafeguards against the destruction and sale of wild deer in place of domesticated deer are not difficult to enforce. For this purpose..a system of licensing private parks, and of tagging deer or carcasses sold or shipped, so that they may be easily identified, is recommended.
12px;TimesIt is believed that with favorable legislation much otherwise, waste land in the United States may be utilized for the production of venison so as to yield profitable returns, and also that this excellent and nutritious meat, instead of being denied to 99 per cent of the population of the country, may become as common and as cheap in our markets as mutton.
12px;Times____________________________________________________________________
12px;;(68,68,68)Interesting statement on QDMA web-site:
12px;;(68,68,68)QDMA supports the legal, ethical pursuit and taking of wild deer living in adequate native/naturalized habitat in a manner that does not give the hunter an unfair advantage and provides the hunted animals with a reasonable opportunity to escape the hunter. ff4013QDMA is not opposing high-fence operations that meet the above conditions.
12px;So does QDMA support fair-chase preserves?
12px;What is an “unfair advantage� ? Game cameras, scopes, food plots, scents, lures, camouflage, tree stands, blinds, compound bows, etc., Are they against these?
That's funny right there! The only thing "net" is good for is fish. I've also thought it was the dumbest way to score a deer.
Joined Jul 2009
1,215 Posts | 0+
Deer Park, Alabama
This is typical of non profit organizations and government functions. They usually start off with a good idea. Later it becomes more about the organization and self service than the purpose for which they began. It is about protecting themselves!
Joined Apr 2009
1,428 Posts | 0+
Northeast Wisconsin
That is why we use SCI scoring on our hunting ranch. Boone & Crockett is just like QDM or any other group that somehow thinks they are different or special. I would like them to stop referring to our deer as captive wildlife! That implies we went into the wild and caught them. They are actually alternative livestock. B&C has to learn to get over it!
Joined Jul 2009
1,215 Posts | 0+
Deer Park, Alabama
When someone asks about a b&c score, I tell them as far as I am concerned b&c stands for *******s and cheats and their scoring is not to be used. Any group against any type of hunting or not friends of the hunters.
