Wondering how many of you preserve guys, that have a few hunters a year, that do not always have a guide with them...whether it be because it's a membership type deal, or you don't have enough guides....how do you assure yourself the client isn't shooting more than one deer? Or shoots at a deer and wounds it without telling you bc he couldn't find it himself? This seems like it'd be more of a problem with bows, but even if you heard a shot go off and went to check on him....he could lead you to where he SAID he shot it and of course you won't find blood (he knows it wasn't a good hit so he lead you the opposite direction). Just wondering what you all do or can do to avoid this sort of thing.
Any of you who run a preserve have this problem?
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Joined May 2009
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Tuscaloosa, Alabama
if he is a bow hunter make him put his name and number on his arrows,that way if you find it you will know who shot the animal.. a gun hunter only give him a certain amount of bulletts.. if the animal is hit thgen he bought the animal..its still tough though..
Not to mention, who says he didn't find his arrow, just not the deer? I've shot a few does FAR back and with a pass through, and they traveled 300+ yards with a drop of blood few and far between...if a hunter shot that deer and was on that kind of blood trail, I feel he'd be VERY tempted NOT to tell you...
Also, limiting the number of bullets?? Assuming they brought their own gun, it wouldn't be that hard to sneak a few bullets in your pocket....?
This really has me stumped......I've got an idea for the bow situation, but it involves no trust in the hunter, and it might offend some hunters.... =/
Also, limiting the number of bullets?? Assuming they brought their own gun, it wouldn't be that hard to sneak a few bullets in your pocket....?
This really has me stumped......I've got an idea for the bow situation, but it involves no trust in the hunter, and it might offend some hunters.... =/
Joined Apr 2009
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Vaughn, MT 59487
It's been awhile since we were able to have a harvest facility in Montana but when I had mine we sent a guide with every client, either one on one or one on two. I felt there was no way you could not lose deer or elk from one of the hunters from a poor shot placement. The hunter's came from too broad of ethics and morals to trust all of them.
Maybe a camera mounted to show the blind/stand?! They have them that can send the video while it is happening to a computer.
Joined Apr 2009
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Northeast Wisconsin
A guide with every hunter for sure - you can sometimes double up - two hunters with one guide depending on what they are looking for etc. We don't let people go out alone - also they are not the greatest judges of scores.
Joined Apr 2009
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Northeast Wisconsin
Nearly all of our guides are family members. Gary has 5 brothers and our sons help out sometimes too. We have a few trusted friends who guide for us as well.
1) sell an animal for less than it is worth and split the difference.
2) sell an animal without notifying the owner.
3) Not tell an owner that an animal has been taken. and get it out later.
4) Score it wrong
5) promote another ranch or hunting area.
6) Sell an animal for more than it is worse, and keep the difference.
There are more things, but here is a very short list.
Hardpan
2) sell an animal without notifying the owner.
3) Not tell an owner that an animal has been taken. and get it out later.
4) Score it wrong
5) promote another ranch or hunting area.
6) Sell an animal for more than it is worse, and keep the difference.
There are more things, but here is a very short list.
Hardpan
Joined Apr 2009
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Northeast Wisconsin
As a preserve owner we are there and present for all hunts. We see what is brought in and we know our preserve. None of the above would ever happen on our place.
I totally agree I have guided at a couple different places and i have never heard of such or seen any wrong doings most guides are hard guys who love hunting.
Well, I am also a "preserve" owner, and I have had guides try all of the above. On a large enough ranch with more than 1 entrance, it is not so hard to be dishonest. And, how can you be in all places at once? We hunt 3 ranches ranging from 2 sq miles to about 300 acres. Most have more than one entry gate, and it is very costly to try to monitor them all the time. Most of my dishonest guides were caught when the proud hunter sent me pictures!
It is worse on a friend of mine with 10,000 acres. He ended up installing security cameras at every gate.
Hardpan
Hardpan
It is worse on a friend of mine with 10,000 acres. He ended up installing security cameras at every gate.
Hardpan
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Wow, there is no way for us to know all of our deer. Heck, we shoot deer every year that we have not seen for a few years. But again, with larger operations, knowing all the deer is not very likely... And we do lose deer to natural causes every year....