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We came home to an audit by the Iowa Department of Revenue dating back to April 1, 2005. Has CWD lost it's glamour or have we been targeted?
 
Rhonda Brakke said:
We came home to an audit by the Iowa Department of Revenue dating back to April 1, 2005. Has CWD lost it's glamour or have we been targeted?



They know they are going to lose this CWD battle so they are now grasping at straws to keep your name in the dirty water!
 
Think about it. You pay for their attorneys. You pay for their time. This is probably more in line with a hate crime than anything else. Government hates being called out....
 
Yep, I guess it's not enough that they have put us out of business and taken our land and remaining live animals for five years!
 
Yeah I got audited this year By the IRS on my deer farm and it cost me 1,200.00 dollars (the bill from my accountant) to prove that I did everything right.......now how is that fair?! They should have to foot that bill since I did nothing wrong.......like that would ever happen!:mad::mad::mad:
 
Sorry to hear that Dennis. Had no idea. If we don't have a good showing at USAHA we just as well quit. How can an industry allow government to write regulations to take our property? As testified in court, BSE can infect sheep and sheep can infect deer. So why are we the only producers being put out of business and losing our property? Afterall, 77 flocks of sheep have been found positive for scrapies since 2001 and that is just in the state of Iowa. Two herds of deer have been positive for CWD since 2001 and the whole state is on fire. It is time to stand upright.



There is more to the audit story, as you can imagine, but we are saving that for the attorneys.
 
Rhonda,



The government is doing their best to make an example out of you and your operation. If they can run over you and get by with it, they feel they can do it to anyone in this industry.



The state of TN tried to make an example out of me back in 1990 but I didn't let them get by with it. They claimed they were going to fine me $250,000.00, confiscate my animals, pull my permits, give me one year probation plus 11 months and 29 days suspended sentence.



I hired some attorneys and countersued the Director of our State Wildlife Agency, the Governor plus the State Attorney General. Every time we would win, they would appeal the decision and the case went all the way to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in Ohio.



After 15 1/2 years in court, they were unable to seize any animals or property, they were unable to levy any fines against me and they were unable to touch me in any way. They accomplished absolutely nothing. They thought they could take my deer but they found out that was not possible. The deer, they tried to take, died of old age right here on my property. Their offspring lives on!



These government agencies are used to getting their way because most people will not stand up to them and defend themselves.



If you believe you are in the right, stand up and fight with all you've got and once you start to fight back, don't back down or compromise.



Anytime someone threatens you with any kind of legal action or trying to take something that belongs to you, take it serious but don't be afraid to fight back if you feel you are being wronged. Government and even individuals use threats as a way to get what they want.
 
Just found out our neighbor was positive for scrapies. Yes, our neighbor! depopped and paid and raising sheep today. What are we doing people?
 
Rhonda Brakke said:
Just found out our neighbor was positive for scrapies. Yes, our neighbor! depopped and paid and raising sheep today. What are we doing people?



How long did they have to fallow the land before restocking, & how many years ago did this all happen? The link between scrapie & other TSE's is becoming too great to ignore.



Scrapies is known to reinfect from soil 20 years after destocking land (Iceland). Have any 3-5 yo sheep from the neighbours been tested for scrapie since restocking?



Stay Staunch!!!



Sharkey
 
At our state cervid meeting with the BAH, the big game director is asking to introduce a law, to get 100% compensation for DNR for any and all expenses in capturing or killing an escaped cervid. He admitted that ALL their salary money comes from tag and license sales, and this was taking to much time out of their days. WOW, so the more they sell, the more they have in the budget for salaries, raises, and pensions ???



Here is a quote from an article :::

While allowing shooting on game preserves wouldn't in itself spread disease or contaminate herd genetics, DNR officials fear the very thing that ranchers desire -- that legal shooting would increase demand for animals and boost the number of game farms. Then problems would worsen proportionately.

Undercut Public Hunting

Then there's the concern that if captive hunts catch on, the whole industry would undercut public hunting and the system of wildlife management as they have evolved in this country during the past century.

So is that the bottom line?? These people are worried about their jobs?? We will hurt license sales[salaries]??



Another quote::

Valerius Geist agrees. Geist, professor emeritus of environmental science and adjunct professor of biology at the University of Calgary and a world-renowned expert on hoofed game, admitted he once fell for game ranching "hook, line, and sinker." "Now I am ashamed to reflect that it took me all of eight years to see through the consequences, for on the surface it all looks so innocent and appealing," he later wrote.

The trouble, he says, is that game ranching undercuts the enviable system of game management that evolved in North America during the 20th century. Game ranching violates all the primary tenets of that system -- that wildlife belongs to the public, that it is not for sale, that even the poor can hunt, and that wildlife is killed only out of necessity. "It's not there to be blasted for the hell of it and to be left here to die," Geist says. "We don't shoot it for fun; we shoot it for utility."

"Hunting is a relationship with the land and the animal you're hunting, and this isn't hunting," says LaFleur of the Izaak Walton League. Rather than nurture that relationship, he says, the acceptance of private hunting will erode the commitment to maintaining a system of public hunting areas. "The commercialization of hunting will become the norm," LaFleur says. "I think it will weaken our system of wildlife management areas. It's not going to topple the wildlife management system in a week or a day. But it is just another erosion of it."

WOW, they kill for necessity, we don't shoot it for fun????? Even the poor can hunt? Everyone knows it is cheaper to go the store and buy food, than to hunt it. Who are these people??



Their concerns of wildlife needs to be owned by the public?? Do you know what they are promoting?? I took these terms out of Wikipedia.

Socialism (Lower-stage communism)

The socialist mode of production is the post-capitalist economic system that emerges when the accumulation of capital is no longer sustainable due to falling rates of profit in (real) production, and social conflict arising from the contradictions between the level of technology and automation in the economy with the capitalist form of social organization. A socialist society would consist of production being carried out, organized in a manner to directly satisfy human needs, with the working-class cooperatively or publicly owning the means of production.

Communism (Upper-stage communism)

The ideal of communism did and does refer to a hypothetical future state of affairs where the good of all is obtained by scientific management (whence the name "scientific socialism") to obtain democratically determined social goals. Karl Marx made a distinction between "lower stage communism" and "upper-stage communism", with the former usually being called socialism.



"The good of the all" is communism. Where a free society[democracy], protects and individuals freedoms and rights.



Does anyone else see anything wrong here???? Where are they taking this country???? Brakkes case is a perfect example of government overreach. They have to spend 100's of thousands of dollars, just to protect their rights, then have some bureaucrats, retaliate against them with an audit??? Why do you think this same government wants to take our guns away??



Gary
 
If we cannot stand as an industry united against taking our business, animals and our land for five years minimum without just compensation than we stand for nothing period.
 
Now my question is if you could find a direct link to the sheep and your deer would you in turn be able to turn the case against the department of AG for not properly regulating the infected sheep. Thus causing you your problems sounds like a strong counter suit!!!
 
Dr. Valerius Geist grew up in communist East Germany. He immigrated to Canada and I believe he lives on Vancouver Island, British Columbia.



In 2004 the ND Game and Fish reprinted an interveiw with Geist and Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation magazine, Bugle. Jan/Feb2004. It was a negative attack on the cervid industry but there were more nutty things he said:



Wildlife provides the highest quality food available to humans. Period! Agriculture cannot match nature. Happily, it is becoming widely known that organically raised, grass-fed livestock-minus all the antibiotics, hormones and artificial fattening-live better lives and produce far healthier meat.

Ultimately, we must learn how to live with planet earth. Wise wildlife management, allowed its full potenial, can serve as a model for the wise use of all natural landscapes. Rather than converting more wildlands to agriculture we must now go the opposite way-to husband our planet rather than continuing to destroy it piecemeal. Wildlife and wildlands conservation is pregnant with ideas regarding how to do this.



In 2005, the wildlife society and wildlife federation paid Geist's way to North Dakota. The ND Game and Fish handed out this:



A FREE public presentation and discussion forum by Dr. Valerius Geist

An internationally respected wildlife biologist, author and one of the world’s leading experts in cervid (deer family) biology and management.



-The North American Wildlife Conservation Model-

Why wildlife management in North America has been so successful.

What are the threats to the future of hunting and wildlife conservation?

Fee Hunting Captive Wildlife

Canned Hunts Wildlife Diseases

Feeding and Baiting Genetic Manipulation

Commercialization of Hunting and Wildlife Resources





What can we do to insure that wildlife and hunting is maintained for future generations?



Where: Ramkota Inn

800 South 3rd Street



Bismarck, North Dakota 58504

Phone: 701-258-7700



When: Friday, 11 February 2005

7-9 p.m.



Presentation to be followed by a question and answer discussion session and refreshments.



Who should attend: -Wildlife enthusiasts

-Hunters -Government leaders

-Legislators -Hunter education instructors

-Wildlife biologist and managers

-Media representatives

-General public -Guides and outfitters

-Deer and elk producers -Tourism interests

-Chambers of commerce -Business leaders

-Outdoor recreationists

-Anyone who has a stake in wildlife and hunting in North Dakota





Sponsors:

North Dakota Chapter of The Wildlife Society

North Dakota Wildlife Federation

Lewis and Clark Wildlife Club

Northern Badlands Chapter of The Mule Deer Foundation



For information contact:

Mike McEnroe, North Dakota Chapter of The Wildlife Society, Phone: 701-224-8335





The meeting consisted of elk and deer growers on one side, the state and fed/gov boyz on the other of the room and a handfull of people in the middle. Geist spoke for over an hour and finally rapped up saying you cannot move cervids in stock trailers thousands of miles hither and yon because you are moving their pathogens and diseases with them. Keep in mind Geist resides in Canada and 2005 was at the height of the mad-cow scare. I took the microphone and said, "you talk much about the perils of moving live animals and their diseases across state lines and borders, I was wondering if we could hire you to help keep Canadian beef out of the United States?" The crowd laughed at him and he got mad. A fed/gov employee with the NRCS took the mike and said, "take CWD completely out of the equation, what must be done with these game farms?" Geist replied, "they all must be shut down period."



At that, the fed and state boyz jumped up, ended the meeting and said, "thank you all for coming, have a safe trip home."



The media was there and after all the fanfare about this man coming to town, the next day they reported nothing.



Yesterdays old communists are todays new greens.
 

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