Call to arms! Enough is enough!

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New federal guidelines on chronic wasting disease could increase CWD's spread in Wisconsin and the rest of the country. / Patrick Durkin/For Wisconsinoutdoorfun.com

 
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12px;(102,102,102)■ To read the USDA’s July 2012 rule package, visitwww.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/animal_diseases/cwd/downloads/cwd_program_standards.pdf.

■ To read the rule’s revised “program standards,� visitwww.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/animal_diseases/cwd/downloads/cwd_program_standards_draft.pdf.

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16pxATHENS, GA. â€” The U.S. Department of Agriculture’s new CWD certification program for captive elk and deer herds could hasten the disease’s spread, whether the animals are privately owned “livestockâ€� inside fences or publicly owned resources living in the wild.
16pxThat’s what professor John Fischer of the University of Georgia told the 37th meeting of the Southeast Deer Study Group when the annual conference opened Monday morning. Fischer, a professor of animal-population health, is director of Georgia’s College of Veterinary Medicine and the Southeastern Cooperative Wildlife Disease Study.
16pxElk breeders first asked for a federal program in 1998 to certify herds and set guidelines for interstate movements of captive elk and deer (cervids). Deer breeders joined the effort in 2002 after CWD was found in southwestern Wisconsin.
16pxThe USDA finally published its rules on an interim basis in July 2012. In 2013, the USDA revised the “program standards� for implementing the rules, released the standards for review in November, and is taking public comments on them until March 31.
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16pxFischer summarized the revisions this way: They “increase the risk of CWD, they facilitate perpetuation of CWD in captive-cervid herds and the environment, and they increase the risk of CWD transmission from captive cervids to other captive herds, as well as to free-ranging wildlife.�
16pxFischer encouraged the approximately 400 private and public wildlife professionals and university researchers attending the SEDSG meeting to scrutinize the revised standards, talk to colleagues and submit comments before the deadline.
16px;(44,44,44); “We need to get to work in exercising our political rights in trying to control the risks associated with ... CWD ... and with the captive-cervid industry,� Fischer said. “What’s at risk here is the health of our nation’s wildlife populations.�
16px;(44,44,44); Fischer said the captive-cervid industry viewed the 2012 rules with “great disfavor� when they were published, and persuaded the USDA to appoint a review panel to revise the program’s standards. Fischer was part of that review panel, along with state veterinarians, captive-cervid representatives, three state wildlife agency personnel, and staff from the USDA’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service.
16px;(44,44,44); “That turned out to be a rather undemocratic process, and it didn’t (work) to my satisfaction or the satisfaction of a lot of people outside the captive-cervid industry,� said Fischer, a 21-year veteran of the SCWDS. In his role as SCWDS director, Fischer works with wildlife agencies in 19 states, the USDA and the U.S. Department of the Interior regarding disease impacts on wildlife.
16px;(44,44,44); CWD has been found in elk, deer and some moose in 22 states and two Canadian provinces, either in free-ranging herds or in private fenced facilities. The disease is well-established in Wisconsin, particularly west of Madison in Dane and Iowa counties. Testing during Wisconsin’s 2013 deer seasons again showed “steady climbs� in CWD prevalence in the state’s long-infected areas. It also found a new case in Adams County, and three more cases in Portage County, said Tom Hauge, the DNR’s director of wildlife management.
16px;(44,44,44); Fischer said the USDA’s revised program standards do not meet its goals to help states, tribes and the captive-cervid industry minimize risks of introduction, transmission and spread of CWD.
16px;(44,44,44); “In the revised version of the CWD program, nearly all of the guidelines, all the options that were more stringent, were deleted at the request of the captive-cervid industry; and more liberal guidelines were added that greatly increase risks,� Fischer said.
16px;(44,44,44); For instance, to earn USDA certification as a low CWD risk, captive facilities must test all elk or deer older than age 1 when they die, and the monitoring must be done at least five years. But Fischer questions if five years of monitoring is enough.
16px;(44,44,44); In 2012, CWD was discovered in captive facilities in Iowa and Pennsylvania for the first time, and in a Minnesota facility holding red deer. The Minnesota facility had been monitoring for CWD for 12 years before one of its red deer tested positive, and the facilities in Iowa and Pennsylvania had been monitored for nine years each.
16px;(44,44,44); Fischer also worries that the guidelines allow owners to move animals from CWD-exposed herds or suspected herds to fenced “hunt facilities� and to quarantined herds within the state. Further, “approved states� can request to move animals from CWD-exposed and “suspect� herds to slaughter facilities, CWD-positive hunt facilities, or hunt facilities in CWD-endemic regions in other states.
16px;(44,44,44); Fischer said those guidelines contradict the USDA’s own standards. “The rule states that it ‘ensures captive cervids moved interstate are considered low risk for CWD,’ � he said. “How are those animals at low risk for CWD when they’re coming from positive, suspect or exposed herds?�
16px;(44,44,44); The USDA justifies the transportation of possibly infected animals “for the purpose of selective culling and continuity of business.� In other words, rather than follow its preferred method of “depopulating� infected herds after compensating owners, the USDA will let owners find a shooter to kill and pay for the animal.
16px;(44,44,44); Fischer told conference attendees to not rely on the USDA to minimize disease risks for the captive-cervid industry or to help reduce CWD risks to free-ranging deer. “Ultimately,� he said, “you need to develop or enhance your state’s CWD control program to mitigate the risks of the captive cervids ... to a level you find acceptable.�



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Gary,


anyone know the #'s on how many cwd in the wild vs. how many in captive herds?

Better yet, what percent of captive deer tested vs. wild.

In Minnesota we have 11,600 farmed cervid. We have tested 26,000 farmed cervid. Our DNR has tested 32,000 deer out of 1,000,000 in the same time frame. Yet we are the ones to have to prove our deer are clean? They say we are irresponsible with our testing protocols!!!!!

Since only a licensed vet can do CWD sampling in WI it would be hard to make that claim here.


It is pretty easy to see that deer farmers test at a much higher rate than the states will ever test the wild herd. So no one really knows the extent of CWD in a wild herd. Also all the theories about how it may be spread are just that, theories. They are chasing a ghost. It is sort of like saying cancer is spread by people living too close together.

Gary,


This is nothing new. We've known for years what to expect out of the Government Wildlife Agencies and those that support them. When ACA was unable to deliver their promise to keep these people out of the rule making process, there was little hope for this industry. They demand two sets of rules, one for us that is unreasonable and one for them that lets them do as they please. Until they are willing to abide by the same rules they are trying to force on us, there is no need to give in to their demands. 

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This is nothing new. We've known for years what to expect out of the Government Wildlife Agencies and those that support them. When ACA was unable to deliver their promise to keep these people out of the rule making process, there was little hope for this industry. They demand two sets of rules, one for us that is unreasonable and one for them that lets them do as they please. Until they are willing to abide by the same rules they are trying to force on us, there is no need to give in to their demands. 




 


David, you keep mentioning this promise that the ACA made to keep out wildlife, can you please site me when this promise was made? As the ACA Secretary/Treasurer, I am aware of what motions and voting has been done by the leadership council and no motion has ever been made promising this...  We have stated we dont think they should be at the table but that is not a promise to remove them from the process. So please enlighten us, specifically.  The minutes are posted online on the ACA website, please take a gander. 

Gary,


this was in an article I read today about Illinois CWD


 


"The first case of Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) in Illinois was reported in Boone County in November of 2002. Since then, the disease has continued to trickle into the Illinois deer herd, mostly into the counties bordering Wisconsin. But now it's in Will County. A deer harvested as part of the Forest Preserve culling program was tested positive for Chronic Wasting Disease in the Kankakee Sands Preserve, east of Braidwood, Illinois. This is the first reported case of CWD in Will County, let's hope it's the last. As of June 2013, there have been 408 official cases of deer with CWD in Illinois. Other counties with CWD deer include Grundy (10), Kane (15), Lasalle (5),  McHenry (15) and 1 in DuPage. The top infected Counties are Winnebago (145) and (Boone) 127."


 


OK, if all these do gooders think they are so right about farmed deer moving CWD around why are there more cases of CWD in the wild than farmed pens.  And we are testing 100%.  Here in Indiana they must be testing next to nothing in the north!  


They use the argument that because of confinement and close proximity we have more disease than the wild.   What are we missing in the transmission of CWD for it to be more prevalent in animals that are more spread out? Is it related to waterways?????

Or maybe it is like cancer, no one really knows why some people get it and some don't. It apparently isn't one thing and it obviously has nothing to do with deer farms. Until they figure out how or why some deer get it and others don't any attempt to stop it is pretty futile. They can monitor the wild herd all they want but what are they going to do???? There is little they can do. Since it has yet to be proven that it is killing any deer in recordable numbers, why all the fuss???? Now if they were finding scores of dead deer in these areas that would be one thing, but they aren't. CWD is a pretty benign disease. Initially it was presented as this highly contagious plague that was infecting the deer herd. Not so!

It looks like the QDMA is at it again, spreading lies at the North American whitetail deer summit(where they are trying to figure out what happened to the deer population). They said that captive deer are the biggest threat to the wild deer population(not an over abundance of antlerless tag). He said that 7 cases in IA were related to captive deer and the first case came from a deer shot just 2 hours after stepping off the truck. So if deer inside a breeding ranch get it from the wild, it's of course the captive breeders fault???

Where is the evidence???  What is the impact of CWD on the wild herd or any herd???  How many deer have they found that they can say died from CWD???  How many sick deer with CWD have they found???  That is the questions - what is the impact????

No doubt that QDMA is against our industry.


 


I found this interesting.  Looking at the 2014 Spring TDA catalog on line I saw that Whitetail Properties had a half page ad in there.  If you go to QDMA's website and look at the "Friends of QDMA" page you will see Whitetail Properties listed front and center. 


Not really sure what to make of that.

Whitetail properties lists several high fence properties. It looks like if they were really that worried about it instead of there bottom line, they wouldn't be "friends" with whitetail properties. Both of these companies feed off of each other in there advertising on each of there own shows. Throw a QDMA sign up on a property that's for sale and it makes the prospective buyer feel all nice and fuzzy inside. QDMA tries to do what captive breeders are doing but without a fence. It doesn't work very well obviously if they are having a summit on the whereabouts of all the deer. They always talk about thinning the herd so you'll have a "healthy" herd. Whitetails aren't that dumb, if they really run out of feed, they will spread out and find a place that has it and go where they won't get bothered. Deer react more to pressure then to anything. If a low numbered deer herd is "healthy" then why not shoot em all, they should be really healthy!

My question is how is it even an arguement that captive wildlife are a threat to the wild herds?  We are not allowed to introduce captive cervide to the wild (which I think most of the hunters against high fence would be in suport of however hypocritical it may be).  Are not the majority of us double fenced as well?  So if our deer are not released to the wild, in my opininon it should not matter.  Until a captive escape deer is found in the wild with CWD this is all BS.   I think we all know QDMA is nothing more than a program for a few guys to make a very good living hunting and feeding the ignorant lies.  Has anyone ever stood up and asked how many of the wild deer found with CWD come from a captive farm? or That they beleive their farm was contaminated with CWD from wild deer because none of their farmed deer had CWD? 

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My question is how is it even an arguement that captive wildlife are a threat to the wild herds?  We are not allowed to introduce captive cervide to the wild (which I think most of the hunters against high fence would be in suport of however hypocritical it may be).  Are not the majority of us double fenced as well?  So if our deer are not released to the wild, in my opininon it should not matter.  Until a captive escape deer is found in the wild with CWD this is all BS.   I think we all know QDMA is nothing more than a program for a few guys to make a very good living hunting and feeding the ignorant lies.  Has anyone ever stood up and asked how many of the wild deer found with CWD come from a captive farm? or That they beleive their farm was contaminated with CWD from wild deer because none of their farmed deer had CWD? 




Its always been the same old BS..Groups like QDMA know our industry is thriving and getting stronger every year.  CWD was their one and only crutch to use against us.  They dont like high fence, they know they cant beat the growth of high fence by just pushing their ways and against ours to the public, by words alone!


 


There has been great wins for our industry as of late with news coming out of NADEFA and with our last ACA meeting last week the group is pushing back and some are starting to feel the heat. If you go over and read the QDMA website you will see they are imploding on themselves. All these states hunters that have low and no deer populations in the wild because of gross mismanagement are starting to lose faith in all this bull coming from QDMA and the staes themselves and are starting their own groups to get deer numbers back where they should be.  Kinda like killing a thousand wild whitetails because one of them has CWD.  Bright!

Make no mistake about it, the QDMA is about the money. They are just like politicians. They will say or do anything to protect their profits. These kind of organizations usually start with good intentions and then it becomes all about protection of THEIR jobs. If their membership likes their doctor, they can keep their doctor. Period!

It's a no brainer for the QDMA, just preach to people that killing the does will give you bigger bucks. The fewer deer you have the more you listen to these clowns trying to grow more and bigger bucks. They are in the business to sell products, memberships, tv and magazine advertising. The sad thing is, most people don't use there own brain and look around them and figure out what works and what doesn't to produce big bucks. These people depend on the advise of these over educated under experienced "biologists" by reading the same old regurgitated deer management BS in the QDMA magazines. These so called "biologists" go put some collars on a couple deer and study the movements for a government funded college study and suddenly become the deer authority. Whenever I'm looking at booking a hunt, if the place says they have a "biologists" managing the ranch, I add it to my list of places NOT to go.. The whole idea of shooting more does was developed in TX because the "biologists" thought it would make bucks move more because they would have less does to breed. They would then become easier to see by drawing them out of the thick brush more often because they have to search harder to find receptive does. In the Midwest deer seldom run out of food, they are usually living neck deep in it year round. I seldom let my hunters kill the does, EHD, lions and coyotes kill enough. If I can hold all the does, my bucks don't leave. I don't want my big bucks going over to the neighbors looking for does, I want him to have all the does he needs right here at home so he can reach maturity(4 plus years old). The biggest thing wild deer respond to is pressure. If they have an area where they can not be bothered, that's where they will stay. I get a kick out of these managers that want big bucks but let everybody come in and shoot does thinking it won't hurt the bucks. It's pressure in the area no matter the gender hunted, the bucks will leave and never come back(because they usually get shot by the neighbors) after about the second round of gunshots in there bedding area.   

Posted on the COMMENT PERIOD - looks like that Terry Singletary left nothing to the imagination.  No lack of his perspective at 30 pages!!
 
ALL MOVEMENT OF CERVIDS BETWEEN STATES MUST BE BANNED, AND THE BORDERS CLOSED TO INTERSTATE 
MOVEMENT OF CERVIDS. there is simply to much at risk. 
 
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from yet another guy....
 
(51,51,51); THAHTEE AMERICAN PUBLIC DOES NOT CONSIDER A "LOW RISK" ACCEPTABLE. YOU HAVE SELECTED AN UNACCEPTABLE STANDARDS. CWDIS CLOSELY RELATED TO BOVINE SPONGIFORM ENCPHALOPATHY WHICH IS DISGURBING TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC DEER SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE GROWN IN CAPTIVE RANCHES, WHERE DISEASES BECOME RAMPANT. CAPTIVE RANCHES IN FACT ARE THE MAIN PLACES WHERE THIS DISEASE START AS THEY DID IN FORT COLLINS COLORADO WHEN THEY PUT CAPTIVE DEER IN A SHEEP RAISING FACILITY WHERE THE SHEEP HAD SCRAPIE. ALSO CAPTIVE RANCH FENCES ARE NOT PROTECTIVE UNLESS THEY ARE WOOD THAT DOES NOT ALLOW NOSES TO TOUCH. I NOTE THAT YOU HAVE CALLED TOGETHEER A SNEAKY BIASED SCAM GROUP TO MAKE DECISIONS ONT HIS. OU HAVE EXCLUDED ALL PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU HAVE EXCLUDED ALL ANIMAL PROTECTORS FRM DECISIONS ON THIS SUBJECT. THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS A STAKEHOLDER IN THIS ISSUE AND YOU HAVE VIOLATED PRESIDENT OBAMAS EXECUTIVE ORDER ON TRANSPARENCY IN HOLDING THIS SECRET CONFERENCE ONLY WITH PROFITEER WHO OF COUIRSE WANT TO BE ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHIGN THEY WANT WITH ANIMALS, NO MATTER HOW BRUTAL AND TORTUROUS THEY TREAT THOSE ANIMALS. YOU HAVE ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPENHERE. YOU HAVE FAILED THE US CONSTITUTION WHICH ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO NOT ONY BE BILLED FOR THESE CONFERENCES BUT TO HAVE A SAY IN THEM. YOU HAVE CALLED IN A SELECTIVE, BAISED GROUP OF PROFITEERS IN DEAD DEER TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. OF COURSE YOU GOT A DO NOTHING DCISION FOR THE DEER. YOU ARE ACTING IN A DESPOTIC WAY AND YOUR ACTIONS SHOULD BE CITED FOR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY FOR SNEAKY, BEHIND THE BACKSO F THE PUBLIC ACTIONS. YOUR MANAgement seems to be changed since it does not bea rpublic scrutiny. i expect to be binclude dof any new meeting on this subject. and am interested in these animals activities. ITS TIME TO STOP YOUR SNEAKIINESS IN SETTING UP MEETINGS ONLY WITH BRURAL PROFITEERS IN DEER DEATHS FOR MAKING DECISIONS ON THESE ANIMALS. UNDER THE PUBLIC TRUST DOCTRINE, WE ALL OWN DEER. AND WE ALL CERTAINLY HAVE A RIGHT OT BE INCLUDED IN GOVT DELIBERATIONS. WHAT A CLOSED NASTY GROUIP EXISTS IN APHIS. CONSTANTLY SNEAKING AROUND.

Was this clown drunk when he wrote this?

And to think, he posts, that he works at the White House.