CIDR Pulled Day Early

Personally, I would not waste a good straw on her.........I wouldn't take the chance.......but others may say differently........it is your call........good luck!! Hope it works out for you!!

Same here would not waste good semen specialy if you have a good back up.

Bill, I would give her a shot and pull the rest of my cidr's and bring her in as if nothing had happened. Put her in your rotation tell your A/I tech what has happened and let your A/I tech tell you if she is going to breed. If not nothing lost either way have a back up doe ready to take her spot or breed one less doe to your straw! I know the feeling 2 years ago we went to pull cidr's and we had 6 of the 14 does in that pen had already been pulled by a nosey doe!



Best of Luck

BMAYES said:

I am scheduled to pull CIDRs at 5:00 am tomorrow morning. When I moved the does out of their pen this afternoon I found a CIDR on the ground by the gate. I don't think this CIDR was there early this morning but can' be 100% sure. I guess I will find our which doe lost the CIDR early in a few hours.

Question: Am I screwed on this one or can she still be AI bred?

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It sounds like your talking about approximately a 12 hour window or so. Certainly that isn't ideal, however it isn't horrible either. Females in fact are in heat and capable of breeding for much longer than the window we all use associated with the A/I process.

I would look at several pieces of information before making your final decision on this.



Are you indeed confident the CIDR was laying out there only the last couple or few hours?



What does the A/I tech think when he/she sees the doe at the time of semen insertion? (showing signs of good heat?)



Has this doe bred in the past?



Has this doe took to A/I in the past? (If she takes every year she is more likely to handle this larger window)



How much is the straw of semen you intend to use in her? (If it is cheap like less than $1K that is easier to risk than say $5K)



If you don't breed her are you simply putting a full straw into a doe you had partnered her with because your intention was to be splitting a straw between two does? ( If so then what is the difference if you waste the half a straw on her or shoot the whole straw in one doe)



Do you have a breeder buck worthy of using and getting fawns out of? (In today's markets and with today's costs I personally feel now it is more important than ever to breed with does and bucks that really make it worth having offspring from)



These are just a few things to consider in this type of situation. It is best to think things through with a clear mind and not make a knee jerk decision. Good luck on how it all turns out for you.

Bill, You pull @ 5 am and you won't A/I till Wed. about 1 pm would be 56 hours right ? Put her in your rotation,talk to A/i tech in the mean time, If he says worth preping her and taking a look......well nothing really lost either way and there is still plenty of time to see if a different doe matches up on "paper" or if the straw goes in a single doe. I see no need for a quick or knee jerk decision..........time to plan..............a plan B and hopefully you won't need it!

I certainly never said to make any knee jerk reactions by no means.....but I from past experience know that it does not take much for an ai to not take only to be out thousands of dollars for the semen I have spent with nothing to show for it.....just be very careful in your decision...that is all I'm saying.......again, wish you the best of luck in your aiing this year!

Dennis, You have had a tough day reading and getting the message from some of the post today! I meaning ME never said YOU (Dennis) said ANYTHING about a KNEE JERK decision! I meaning ME took that from the post ABOVE ......MY last post made by ROGER........And I think WE ALL are telling BILL the same thing in our OWN ways about what HE should do!!!!!!!!!! So DENNIS...............I'm just funnin with yah......You have to admit you have had a bad day on here! LOL



I can certainly tell everyone from past experiences.......In 2009......$56,000 in semen and A/I expense 6 of 22 does stuck...... BAD A/I



2010..............$36,000 in semen and A/I expences 6 A/I fawns from 3 of my 22 A/I does......."NEW" A/I Tech......Said....... PMSG was NO GOOD!



2011................Bought a "BEAUTIFULL" breeder buck....280" 6x7 and 29" Main beams in RAWHIDE....... and A/I only 4 does to outside semen............A/I ..........10 does to a full straw of .........RAWHIDE............Send 6 does out to Live breed and back up EVERYTHING.......................To...............RAWHIDE...................and not having to WORRY.............Well it's......."PRICELESS"



My Point...................LIFE LESSON LEARNED!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Wayne you agree with roger and dennis you agree with virgil and bmays you agree with everyone and give the shot to let the vet tell you whats right. In reality only the vet can tell you if she should be bred ai or not and everyone else can only agree that they are agreeing to give you a rough idea of what may happen!! Good luck!!!!!

I am pretty sure I was pretty clear that I was talking to Bill in my posting. I even used his post to quote from in my own posting. I considered doing what I often do these days which is a direct message to him. But opted to post my thoughts for everyone in case others have the same issue as Bill. No wonder few want to try helping anyone anymore on these forums

Seem's to be the way huh!!!!

Yeah I agree Roger it does not pay to give advice on the forums any more....that is all I w tying to do..... WYANE I was never pointing to you or any one about knee jerk reactions.......these were something both you and Roger said......and i was just trying too clarify that I was not suggesting BMYES that i was simply telling him to make that kind of decision......this again is where I get frustrated because never before in these forums did you have to defend your opinion for trying to help someone asking for advice...WYANE you are miss reading my post and maybe you are having a bad day on the posts......I am personally tired of all the childish bickering that goes on here in the forums...everyone beating their chest thinking they will look the best........everything has to be a debate...never used to be that way and a lot of the good people left or quit posting.....it is ashamed....but I can't blame them!!

Maybe if some of the folks on this forum would ...........Take a CHILL PILL and put thier SUPER HERO CAPE back in thier pants and realizie this is a...........PUBLIC forum and it's alot like life .........You ain't gonna agree with EVERYONE!!!! This is why everyone should QUITE trying to be POLITICLY CORRECT on here and stop worrying about what the hell somebody else is going to think about what they said! Dennis I was referring to another thread were YOU were told you miss understood! People get on here for help to QUESTIONS and ask someones and when they need HELP.....................ANYONES OPION!

wyane,

I will not lower myself to try to look like the good guy in this stupid meaningless what ever you want to call it between us.....take a look back in the years past at the post and see how it was supposed to be....practice what you preach please.........there was never any fighting that much before....you gave your opinion. And that was it someone else gave theirs...I am not here to make you look bad I simply made an opinion above and it turned into a debate....witch stinks....it was never that way in the past........the person that made a statement about me in the post you are referring to happens to be a good freind of mine and we are always busting on each other....actually trying to lighten things up on the forums but I guess it is not working........oh by the way....you might look at that post and see I actually apologized for my post.... you hardly ever see that on here!,, you WyAnE are the one that needs to chill.

Ok Dennis...............I will CHILL...................BITE ME!!!!!!

Whatever...shows your character....

If two people are talking face to face and in the conversation one of guy jokingly says to the other with a smile on his face, your crazy. No big deal. If you say the same thing on a public forum, where your expressions and mood cant be seen it can be taken any way the reader wants to see it. It has gotten me into situations on here and thars why I dont post much anymore.

think positive its just a straw.

darren said:

If two people are talking face to face and in the conversation one of guy jokingly says to the other with a smile on his face, your crazy. No big deal. If you say the same thing on a public forum, where your expressions and mood cant be seen it can be taken any way the reader wants to see it. It has gotten me into situations on here and thars why I dont post much anymore.

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That is what those cheezy smilies are for use them and it might keep you out of trouble