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Cwd dates

AnthonyWR

AnthonyWR

Joined Jun 2010
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Dubois, PA
This is one subject that everyone has different opinions on. Everyone always advertises CWD date of 2002 or 2003. Alot of people with those dates dont like buying from someone who is just 5 year certified because they think it will bring down their status. But then you talk to other farmers who say it doesnt matter who you buy from as long as they are certified. If someone who is 7 year certified buys from someone who is 5 year certified it wont change anything.



I just want everyones opinion and maybe find out what the rule really is
 
If someone who is 7 year certified buys from someone who is 5 year certified he loses his 7 year status and goes back to 5 year status. The only negative I can see with this is if they change the import / export regulations to 6,7, or 8 year certified to cross borders, and of course people who have better status may not want to buy from you and reduce their status. You never know what they'll do next, every time your status drops, you take a chance on not being able to move your animals. Again, it's all up to the powers that be.
 
Mark,



I think your off a little on that the way I understand it here in Mo. is say someone that is say 7 years certified buys from someone that is under 5 years then the farm that is 7 years would be lowered to the other farm, but if the 7 year certified farm buys from someone that is 5+ years then the farm would keep its status it already was.



This is the way I believe it to be (atleast in Mo.) but then again I could be wrong.
 
Once you have reached your 5 year certification status you can't go any higher except the perception of adding years as you say 7 years or at auctions they state your cert date. As stated if you buy animals from a less than accred status then you go down or back to lowest of animals purchased. But I think there still may be a stigmatism of longer dates and buying just over 5 years. Only time will cure that.
 
roughcountrywhitetails said:
Mark,



I think your off a little on that the way I understand it here in Mo. is say someone that is say 7 years certified buys from someone that is under 5 years then the farm that is 7 years would be lowered to the other farm, but if the 7 year certified farm buys from someone that is 5+ years then the farm would keep its status it already was.



This is the way I believe it to be (atleast in Mo.) but then again I could be wrong.
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I'm pretty sure Iowa is the same way as Randy explained the Missouri rule.
 
Keep your opinions coming. 5 replies and they are all different. This is why Im confused about it. haha
 
I am from PA and it was told to me by dept of ag. (who controls the deer) they said you must be 5yrs in the accredidation program to be considered "Accredited". After you are "Accredited" it doesnt matter if your 6years 16 or 60 years you can sell/trade back and fourth with other "Accredited" herds with no effect to your status. But if you are "Accredited" and you buy from some one with under the 5 year level your whole herd drops to there status wether it be 1 year or 3 years or what ever. My advise is to buy original start up deer from people over the 5 year status level and then you are set. You can then buy from anyone that is 5 years and above and you can also sell to anyone. I hope I explained it well enough for you.
 
Yes, that is what I have done. Im just trying to figure oout why it matters so much to these guys if its not going to affect them. The auctions should all list certified or not certified instead of a date.
 
And when are some of these states that use CWD as an excuse not to let any deer in going to recognize an accredited herd??? We spoke once with an official in NJ who said they were holding off until people were at least 8 years monitored - I'll bet if I called them today they would now say 10 years - anything to keep ahead of the curve. Either accredited means something or not - very frustrating.
 
I have a 2002 cwd certified herd. That makes me certified and nothing more. After you are in the program for 5 years you become certified and nothing more.. Then as long as you buy from others who are 5 years your status remains certified.

Under five years the certificut says 1, 2, 3, or 4 years. After that it says certified and gives no other dates. Even if I was to buy off of someone who just became five years certified my status remains the same witch is certified and nothing more. Some just use this as a gimmick to get new guys to only buy from them.
 
Virgil your right on how it works but in some states (including Mo) even after you are certified it still shows how many years you have been in the cwd program mine says status 8 years on it so as long as I buy from a cerified herd I keep my status . This is why some fokes get confused.
 
Ok, so since I am just starting out, if I get a few breeder does from someone who is over 5 years certified, I will be over 5 years certified also? If so, when I have them ai'ed, will it drop me if the semen I get is from a less than 5 year certified farm?
 
Smoking_44 said:
Ok, so since I am just starting out, if I get a few breeder does from someone who is over 5 years certified, I will be over 5 years certified also? If so, when I have them ai'ed, will it drop me if the semen I get is from a less than 5 year certified farm?
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I can only speak for Iowa. In Iowa you would retain the status of the lowest status deer you purchased. So if they are all over 5 yrs then you would also be over 5 yrs.



Again In Iowa, semen would not make a difference.
 
In Sask you build your own status, you can lower it by bringing deer on that are from lower status, you can also not move ahead in status by having an untestable head, we don't have a start date that means anything ,there are five levels that end in five years with certified, If you start a new farm...you start at zero, even if you buy all animals from a certified farm, ...so you won't be selling and breeding animals to existing farms for five years.
 

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