Death tolls

One Word...........STAGGERING!!!!!

Well unfortunately you could never get the real numbers that die off from EHD....in captive deer yes but not when you take the wild into consideration....I do agree...I wish there was a way......but even if there was a way i still think the powers to be would find a way to keep CWD in the spot light.....it's a shame because the Whitetails are the ones that suffer the most......

Roger give us a couple of months. There will be multiple deaths due to ehd and Zero to cwd. My toll is 4 right now, but it will be a while before the first frost.

Michigan DNR reported to our association this weekend that they have now went over3000 reported deaths from EHD this year. If 3000 are reported, I will bet there are 50,000 dead. By the way we have had 1 CWD deer.



If the State of Michigan were to spend the same amount per deer for EHD deaths as they did on one single CWD Deer, our state would be the poorest (if were not already) state in the nation.

When I started in the deer business I bought 12 deer. 60 days later I had 4. EHD took the others.

I don't think I have ever heard of any deer anywhere dying from a confirmed case of CWD.

I do know that there has been a bunch of deer die in the last few weeks from EHD here in Missouri.

Their dying here in PA as well....have not heard the numbers but have talked to people where it is happening and they say that is all you can smell is rotting deer........it makes me sick!

I spoke to Pete Miller today he lost all breeder bucks and many high valued does one purchased at top 30 for 10's of thousands of $$. We must remember to do our best and let God do the rest.

ToddM said:

Michigan DNR reported to our association this weekend that they have now went over3000 reported deaths from EHD this year. If 3000 are reported, I will bet there are 50,000 dead. By the way we have had 1 CWD deer.



If the State of Michigan were to spend the same amount per deer for EHD deaths as they did on one single CWD Deer, our state would be the poorest (if were not already) state in the nation.

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Yeah and your case came from the same place ours in ny came from....An infected cwd deer head brought into a taxidermy shop from a cwd state!!!

I have been watching ehd for many years in the state of illinois in the wild deer this will be the largest die off in there history you will never know because they have no clue and further more dont care .

I believe that there is yet to be found a CWD deer dead on a deer farm that died of CWD ( I could be wrong, so enlighten me if so). In our case, just before Christmas 2007 we had close to 140 deer die of government policy on CWD (they came in and killed them all), all in early stages, none showing signs, all huge and healthy. Ours was the first farm to actually make government (North American wide) consider and use "environmental causes" rather than nose to nose contact as the cause of CWD in our endemic area (as we were certified CWD free -6yrs, and had just moved our entire deer farm (from a non endemic area) into this area 2 years prior to the kill off). But if you receive Deer Tracking, you have probably all heard this already. Roger the only numbers DNR (or in our case CFIA -ag) will give will be those that were killed off through policy because of CWD.



I wonder what would happen if CWD was left to run it's course as nature intended? We fought for our farm to be a research facility into just that. But government is scared of that which they do not really understand. So it is easier to kill it off than to learn about it.... Where CWD has been found in the wild, (particularly in Colorado) elk and deer populations have actually been on the increase... if CWD was the devestating monster we've been led to believe, wouldn't there be a lack of deer and elk roaming Colorado?

I have talked to research people that feel deer can develop resistance or immunities to CWD. By killing off those zones, they also are killing the resistant deer that nature created. You are right Tara, they should let nature run its course. In Minnesota they found 1 in the wild. They killed about 4000 deer over 2 years and found no more. Either those deer in that zone had a high level of resistance [ which are now dead] to the disease, or it doesn't spread very easily between deer. Last spring they found a 2 year old Red Deer cow with CWD in Minn.. The herd has been a closed herd for 12 years and has been monitored for almost 15 years for CWD. They have not missed a test in 15 years. They are scratching there heads over this one.



Gary Olson

Here is your answer, CWD did in fact originate from sheep research in Colorado



Wikipedia - However, scrapie tends to persist in flocks and can also arise apparently spontaneously in flocks that have not previously had cases of the disease. The mechanism of transmission between animals and other aspects of the biology of the disease are only poorly understood and these are active areas of research. Recent studies suggest prions may be spread through urine and persist in the environment for decades.

I think one thing that makes CWD more important than EHD in the eyes of the state and federal goverment is that EHD isn't yet found in "traditional" livestock farms, while CWD is likened to Mad Cow Disease.

Anyone who thinks people with power are above blatant manipulation of the system to ensure their own jobs and agendas is simply living in a fairytale world. I was amazed at how many sportsmen and sports women fell for the lies and deception of the WI DNR.

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Roger, I couldn't agree more. I can't believe how many sportsmen in Missouri have been living under a rock for the last 10 years. Now the Missouri Department of Conservation is claiming we have an emergency over something we found for them over 2 1/2 years ago! Can you believe that!



With that same thought process in mind don't you think the labs that test for CWD have pressure on them to find it occasionally? If they never find anything wouldn't it go away and people would quit testing for it. Wouldn't that cause the money to stop flowing somewhere (like out of my pocket).



I've always thought that we need to take a real good look at the test itself. Why is it the positives always come from a healthy harvested deer? They are mostly older adult males. Could it be that a small percentage of the population just develops a little brain degeneration over time like we have in humans? Why is it that with every other disease, when we have a positive, we re-test and do a lot of other things to confirm it before we go nuts? Why do they hide the DNA? Why? Why? Why? What I've heard so far from the Iowa case is VERY disturbing. I have learned from Missouri that when the government says they want to work with you they are lying lying lying!



I have learned a lot in the last 12 years about CWD. And against my will I have had to learn about politics and the government. The Lying and corruption is real and seems to be getting worse.



One piece of advice I'd like to give everyone is always pay to have your vet do your sampling (assuming you can trust your vet). MAKE SURE that when they pull the sample they keep an additional sample clearly labeled in a secure place until the negative paperwork comes back. No one should know about this sample but you and your vet and you should not have access to it. Then if you ever have a positive, only tell your lawyer where it is.

Tim Matthews said:

Here is your answer, CWD did in fact originate from sheep research in Colorado



Wikipedia - However, scrapie tends to persist in flocks and can also arise apparently spontaneously in flocks that have not previously had cases of the disease. The mechanism of transmission between animals and other aspects of the biology of the disease are only poorly understood and these are active areas of research. Recent studies suggest prions may be spread through urine and persist in the environment for decades.

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This appears to be the case.Scrapie has species jumped & is also a human dsease now, CJD. Yes Prions are shed through urine & the longest period found where they can re infect a healthy animal is 23 years from contaminated soil/pasture (Iceland).There are many routes of infection fron prion disease.Any humans suspect of consumming the meat from infected animals may find themselves banned from blood donation for 20 years (UK, BSE, is just one example).



The US only tests 40 000 cows for BSE each year ,yet with this small number they still discovered a cow in a dairy in California recently.(Things have gone quiet on that now?). I for one no longer trust US beef because of the poor testing for BSE .Allegedly,this case arose because a "downer cow"?? allegedly from Canada had been used for animal protien in feed,which was then sold to the dairy.Where else did it go? It was just by luck it was discovered.



CWD is a nightmare! Its slower moving than EHD but don't ignore it.Lets just hope there is never a case linked to the human version CJD.If this happens your world will change very rapidly.



EHD is really hurting you guys at the moment,but in all seriousness please dont underplay the real threat from CWD.



Sharkey

Sam the second sample is great advice. Thank you!

sharkey said:

This appears to be the case.Scrapie has species jumped & is also a human dsease now, CJD. Yes Prions are shed through urine & the longest period found where they can re infect a healthy animal is 23 years from contaminated soil/pasture (Iceland).There are many routes of infection fron prion disease.Any humans suspect of consumming the meat from infected animals may find themselves banned from blood donation for 20 years (UK, BSE, is just one example).



The US only tests 40 000 cows for BSE each year ,yet with this small number they still discovered a cow in a dairy in California recently.(Things have gone quiet on that now?). I for one no longer trust US beef because of the poor testing for BSE .Allegedly,this case arose because a "downer cow"?? allegedly from Canada had been used for animal protien in feed,which was then sold to the dairy.Where else did it go? It was just by luck it was discovered.



CWD is a nightmare! Its slower moving than EHD but don't ignore it.Lets just hope there is never a case linked to the human version CJD.If this happens your world will change very rapidly.



EHD is really hurting you guys at the moment,but in all seriousness please dont underplay the real threat from CWD.



Sharkey

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After 30 plus years dont you think we would have seen much more of this CWD if it was the monster they say it is. I just dont see it!!!! All these deer and all this time to show something but its just not there!!!



Sam that is very good info and i was just talking to my vet the other day about doing our testing instead of the state. I believe i will take it one step more though and i will keep a sample along with the vets sample and then the state can have their part!!!

EHD is taking a huge toll on the captive and wild deer in Mo. It is the worst our state has ever seen. My grandfather told me that he was in his mid 20s when he saw his first wild deer in Mo. . Many of the Indian artifacts found in our area are made from deer antler, deer bone and hides. There were whitetails here then-what happened to them ? I t might be that there was a EHD outbreak that killed off the entire population. Mo. has been keeping weather records since 1888, and this year we saw more days over 100 degrees in June and July than any year on record. We are in a major drought-this must be perfect conditions for the midge fly that transmits EHD.