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Deer Taming - How To

Joined May 2009
685 Posts | 0+
Northwest Illinois
Other than the obvious (bottle feeding and an immense amount of time spent around your deer), the best way into a deer's heart after the bottle feeding is over is still through their stomach. I want to share this with everybody for 2 reasons: 1- Because this forum is responsible for deer standing in my pen right now that otherwise would have died w/o your help, and 2- Because it works/helps. What we do: Whether bottle fed or mother fed, we introduce them to bread and crackers early on. They will typically not take to it right away. There is a process: 1- smell and walk away 2- smell, lick, and walk away 3- smell, lick, mouth, spit out, and walk away 4- until finally one day they put it in their mouth for keeps. From that point on we try our best to give them these ''treats'' as often as we can. I referred to them as ''treats'' because I do not want to imply that in any way bread or crackers should supplement their regular feed. And yes ''early on'' is ideal, but adults of all ages can and do learn to love bread. So...here are some of the advantages to doing the aforementioned and/or what you can expect to accomplish through doing this: 1- Treating a deer with certain meds, ie. wormer and antibiotics (SMZ) are the meds we have administerd mostly in our bread, but there could certainly be more that one could hide in bread that are administerd orally. Because these meds carry a nasty flavor, this is where the crackers come in. For instance, I melt the SMZ tabs down with water, then smash the crackers up and mix them with the SMZ creating a texture of paste that is spreadable by adding just the right amount of water. Then spread this onto the bread, fold it over and go feed it. With wormer, simply apply your dose onto smashed up crackers and add water to acquire the spreadable texture, spread on a slice of bread, fold and feed. 2- I have got deer back into my pen that have gotten out before simply and solely because they were bread eaters. By ''frisbee-ing'' bread high into the air I got their attention, opened the gate and ''pied-pipered'' them right through the gate and into the pen. 3- If you want to see/show your deer, get a closer look at your velveted bucks, just frisbee some bread up in the air. In my pens it can look like Jurassic Park with all these animals running at you when they see the bread being tossed in the pen. 4- And hand feeding bread is a great way to maintain trust/tameness as well as acquire trust/tameness with any given deer. I have actually been able to 'pet' mother raised deer before, not any further down the body than the neck, but none the less, got my hands on them. 5- It can serve as a ''barometer'' to detect a sick deer. If a ''bread eater'' refuses bread, you can bet their is a problem. 6- And...it's just fun. It allows you to love and interact with your deer in ways and with frequency that might otherwise not be possible. Go to a bread store and you can often buy lots of out-dated bread very cheap. This whole feeding bread thing has sure served me well. Case in point: My first doe, who is now 15 years old, has only been knocked down one time in her entire life to be treated, and no I don't have a chute system. And she would not have been knocked down then if I would have been aware of Draxxin. Now if I think she needs a dose of Draxxin, I just walk up behind her with a syringe and and shove it in. Hope this helps someone or ''someones''. :) God Bless you all!
 
I couldn't agree more with this. Bread is like crack to our deer. I know that if one of our deer turns down a piece of bread, something is definitely wrong. One note though, it can create a monster. One of my bottle-feds gets very pushy and bites if you don't give her the bread! Used it this spring to worm them. Bread in one hand, wormer in the other, and they didn't even notice they got wormed.
 
HuntsEndDeerRanch said:
I couldn't agree more with this. Bread is like crack to our deer. I know that if one of our deer turns down a piece of bread, something is definitely wrong. One note though, it can create a monster. One of my bottle-feds gets very pushy and bites if you don't give her the bread! Used it this spring to worm them. Bread in one hand, wormer in the other, and they didn't even notice they got wormed.



What do you do when she bites if anything, or do you just frisbee it so she wont bite you?



Sandridge: Good post, thank you
 
Great post.......I will start trying this right away.......my deer are very calm and I want to keep them that way......I did not bottle feed this yearend want the deer to remain calm......so I have been going in the pens a lot and hanging out with the fawns......they are getting used to me and are pretty calm......you can not beat a mother raised fawn.....they are much healthier in my book and seem to have a better start than the bottle raised......great post....thank you!
 
I am only bottlefeeding two this year, The way I look at bottlefeeding anymore is, why would i in these tough times? the price of deer is down so low that if you bottlefeed a fawn with less 250" genetics, you will lose money right off the bat. It will cost you far more in milk and time to feed that fawn than you will get if you go to sell it.
 
Bottling feeding is fine....but younare right it is costly and consumes a lot of ones time......ny son is at the age that we want to go fishing and stuff together and we have not been able to do it the past few years because of bottle feeding....I love my deer but I love my son just a bit more and you can't get lost time back once it is gone.....so we will see how this works this year with going in the pens slot ....if the deer remain calm and are not bouncing off the fences I will probably continue to do it this way.
 
I agree Dennis, you can't beat a mother fed fawn. I'm done bottle feeding. I almost hate to admit it, but I have learned to hate bottle feeding for a variety of reasons - cost, time, frustration with unhealthy and sometimes stubborn fawns. Yeah, and as far as the time goes, it will consume your whole summer. No sir, no more bottle feeding for this guy, stick a fork in me I am DONE! If you have tame mothers, and ''hang'' with them like you are doing Dennis, they (the fawns) should be plenty calm enough, certainly shouldn't be pingin the fence anyway, hence making the reason to bottle feed obsolete. Then by adding the bread to the process you will quicken and better insure the goal of calm/workable deer. My yearling bottle feds from last year literally swarmed me when I walked in with bread tonight. They get to where if they just hear a bread wrapper begin to crinkle and they're comin. Throwing a loaf of bread in your pens then taking your son fishing sounds like an awesome idea Dennis! :)
 
Deer also love peanuts - and it is protein! You can throw a handful into the pen and they will come up looking for them.



We also don't bottle feed unless we must. Even then we will try to put the fawn back in a pen with a new mother and usually they will adopt it.
 
Great post Mark! Thanks yet again for your kind, unselfish gift of knowledge and time. Our girl gets toast w/ organic peanut butter. She is too lazy to eat peanuts... but the blue jays love 'em! hehehe.



Question about wormer... which one do you use Mark? I've been squimish about poking her with Ivermectin.
 
If I may add to an already good thread...We used to use bread with jelly on it, so we could hide the "bad stuff" in the jelly when they needed an oral dose. I prefer to use apples, as they throw easier and the deer love em. Sometimes you welcome the rolling too. Also, and to me this is a biggie...I mow the grass right down to inches near the feeders, water and the area I frequent most, so the deer MUST venture out and be exposed. The shyness goes away and momma raised deer will walk to me. They wont allow my touch, with a few exceptions, but they also are not fence crashers, yet their remaining shyness makes them easier to run through the system when needed. This is what works well for me.
 
This is a great thread......it is good to hear that others are doing this.......like I said bottle feeding is fine......but I know without a doubt the ones that stay on their moms are healthier and seem to be bigger for the most part than the bottle raised.......if there is another way to keep them calm without having to bottle feed then I am all for it.......NYBill you are absolutely right about the, still having a little bit of fear in them making it easier to run them through the chute systems.....my biggest pain in the butt deer are the really tame ones that have no fear .....they know what is going on and trying to get them to go where you want them to is almost impossible if they don't want to go.
 
I tried the bread two days ago and laugh everytime I feed them now. I would have never thought they would like it that much. If anybody hasn't tried it I highly recommend it. Its the real deer candy there. I wonder if the wild deer like it that much.