Ehd help

EHD... any ideas, thought, maybes, could works, something?

I have lost 6 deer with the chance of losing 2 today... im losing them at a rate of about 3 every 2 days. I'm spraying my pens. Giving each deer that has it 5cc of baytril, 5cc of dex, 2 cc of banamine, 2cc of pen., 2cc of B12, and 2cc of wormer(we worm every deer when it is down). Also we are giving a tube of Target probiotics deer paste. Any experimental treatments? Just wondering... I know its part of the business... Thanks like always.

Cameron this dam EHD is a mess.....my heart goes out to you and what your dealing with......I am from up North and have not had to deal with it to date so I have nothing to give you except my thoughts and prayers.......maybe someday they will realize that the EHD is a much larger problem than CWD ever will be.

5cc of TETRADURE

Cameron, two years ago EHD made it to us in West Virginia. We lost two before we new what it was, was able to save a third using 5cc Tetradure IM and 5cc Tetradure SQ plus 6cc long lasting penicillin SQ and 2cc banamine. This worked for for us, the deer was very slow to get around for about a month but he made it. Hope this helps in some way. Plus I sprayed everything . Allen

thanks,



l'll try it.

Isnt there diffrent strains,of ehd, and if so one that works might not work for another.just a thought,Dc

Tetracyclene (LA 200, Tetradure) and penicillin don't mix. They will counter act each other, because of the way in which they each attack a cell wall. Penicillin is bacterialcidal, meaning it kills the bacteria by attacking it as it grows and multiplies. Tetracyclene is baterialstatic, meaning it isolates the cells and prevents them from multiplying, while allowing the immune system to respond to the infection. So, Tetracyclene prevents the cells from behaving in the way Penicillin needs them to in order for it to work. They contrindicate.



Tetracyclene and Sulfa (Albon, Di-methox, SMZP, etc), on the other hand, are synergistic, and when given together produce a better result.



I think that the lack of pharmacolgy knowledge in our industry hurts us as much as anything. It sure doesn't help any that none of the drugs we use/need are labeled for deer or exotics. If we could get some of the big schools (Texas A&M included) doing more clinical data and research for us, it sure would help.

Robbie may be correct on Tetradure and Penicillin not working together on paper. Same as drinking Iodine or LS 50 in the wind pipe. All I know is they worked in the deer. The EHD remedy was given to me by a friend with 20 plus years of cervid experience. I agree it would be nice to have more clinical data on our beloved whitetails. For now old timer experience is all we have to go with. Allen

I also agree that we need more clinical data on white-tail deer however Robbie has quoted the science of pharmacology, which is hard to argue with. Old timer experience is invaluable but tempered with science it is hard to beat. I'm curious Cameron if the deer were necropsied? Best of luck to you.

Robbie,and or LGode , do you think in my case the heavy dose of Tetradure did all the work.Or did I just get lucky and the deer survived. I value both of your opinions. Thanks Allen

Robbie,



How much Sulfa do you recommend to use with Tetracyclene? Actually let me restate that. What has worked for you?

Allen - I think it is hard to say one way or the other. I think that sometimes, in spite of our best efforts, we just can't save them, and I think sometimes we seal their fate with our limited resources and knowledge. The deer that survived may have just been heartier than the others, maybe the hight dose of Tet. gave it the boost it needed, we'll never know.



I just wanted to put that information out there so that others reading would be aware that those two drugs are not recomended for use together. There are a lot of drugs that should not be "stacked" with each other, and I think our industry as a whole doesn't know enough about those potentially dangerous combinations. Many people just throw everything at them, trying to help, but aren't aware of the contrindications or the load certain drugs put on the liver, or kidneys, or whatever, and depending on the situation, that might be more than the animal can handle.



We need more research and better data.

I have been told by the ol'timers that it is not the EHD or bluetongue that kills them it is the secondary infections that will take them out. I don't know how acurate that info is but you might want to be treating for the secondary infections. It will also depend on what strain of BT or EHD you are dealing with. Bill Pittenger is the man on this issue. Cameron, you might want to call Bill and ask him what will work. Good luck

Aaron - I have used this combination in several different ways. I don't always have the ability to use the injectable - it is IV only - so unless I have knocked a deer down to treat, that isn't an option. If the deer is still on its feet, I go with something oral, either Albon, 15-25 cc's / 100 lbs. depending on the dose of Tetracyclene, or I put the di-methox in the water for a few days. That is probably not the most effective, but better than nothing. Just depends on the situation and the deer. I am sure that there is a more scientific answer, but those are the ways I have used it and seen results.

Michael - I think there is some merit to that logic. It would make sense that if there is an illness, the immune system is being compromised and the energy being expended to fight that particular illness would make the animal susceptable to secondary infections. That is exactly why it is so important to select the right drug for the job. At that point, the animal can't afford to "waste" any energy processing a drug that doesn't address the problem, or in trying to sort out a mixture in its system that isn't meant to go together. If we aren't careful, we add to the problem in our attempt to help.

Robbie, I think you are correct. We do more harm than good some times when overdosing our deer. Pnuemonia seems to be the biggest secondary infection that we have encountered when dealing with EHD or BT. We now have vaccinated our deer for EHD and BT with great results so far. We give them a annual shot with a booster mid summer. It may not be the cure all but it make me feel better at night. lol