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Hotrod

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Anyone who is involved in the deer industry knows that Indiana has been a hot spot and for the anti deer farming push for a long time.  The recent Indy Star articles have reached and formed negative opinions in every single State in the United States. We currently have the most important case facing our industry today going into the appellate court. Last September we won in Circuit Court and the Judge ruled that the DNR does NOT have jurisdiction over privately owned animals. 


 


The Opposition groups(Wildlife Federation and Hunting groups) have filed an amicus brief with the court to try and persuade the appellate Judges.  If you read the Indy Star article you have seen all the garbage and flat our lies they have put forth.  They have supplied ALL that to the court of appeals as being facts.  We have a chance as an industry to file an amicus brief and discredit ALL their BS.


 


This is your chance to make a difference, not only will this help the case in Indiana but can be used in your State when the time comes.  The Amicus Brief will cost us $5,500 to have prepared and filed into the court of appeals.  That is nothing for all us farmers to come up with together.  IDEFA and NADEFA is Helping with attorneys.  I have tried contacting the ACA  numerous times but cant get any response from them at all.  I dont know what they do with the money they collect but there is NOT a single thing more important to support than something like this.  Hopefully all the politics can be set aside long enough to help the industry.


 


I would like to ask/challenge all the farmers to help stand up for our right and industry.  I would love to see 55 people comment below with a $100 pledge and show we are going to stand up for ourselves.  We will list the attorney name and address to send the money to. 
 
Post the attorney's name and address & I will be one of 55. I too, would like to see the ACA change their by-laws where they can have some latitude to assist the individual as well as an association's needs. They do a great job representing associations issues brought to them. I haven't taken the time to educate myself on the reasoning behind the ACA's by-laws. You have done a great job handling the management of your case thus far and if I were in your shoes I would also have a hard time attaching this case to an association at this point. The ACA has done more to help this industry lately than anyone else in my opinion and without an executive payroll. I don't know if it's a good idea to be critical of them without understanding their designed role. I don't think the current Idefa board has anyone involved with the ACA. Check out the Idefa scientific committee chairs.

Hang in there!
 
 


Hotrod and all,


I am just seeing this thread and would like to respond to Hotrod's comments and explain more detail of the ACA's functions for Mr Bell. And thank you for your comment Mr Bell.


 


The American Cervid Alliance is a leadership council, of which we often refer to as the United Nations of the cervid industry. It is not a member association such as IDEFA, NADeFA, NAEBA, or EWA, or any other state association that you can become a member of that collects membership dues. We collect no dues from our member associations.  It has no paid staff and nor runs on any type of major treasury. It is simply an organized forum of leaders of nearly every deer and elk association in existence and runs on pure volunteer time.


 


Speaking as the ACA's Secretary/Treasurer, during our nearly monthly ACA council meetings via conference call, of the 36 member associations that have signed up to be voting council members, 4 of the 36 association representatives are never on the calls. Unfortunately, Indiana is one of the those 4 associations. We would love to do whatever we can to help Indiana within our means, but we have received no request or update from the councilman from IDEFA.  The ACA can only get involved in states when requested by the home association by their voting councilman. This may be understandably frustrating to folks but the ACA makes a conscious effort to not step on any association's toes or engage in action against the home association's wishes. Imagine the political uproar from the cervid industry if the home association told the ACA to stay away and we can marching in anyway?  Our bylaws are setup to avoid that type of controversy and preserve our integrity. 


 


We are set up to take the cue from the official voting councilman that specific association appoints. This is simply to protect the integrity of the council and its voting representation.  For example, the ACA councilman for the Iowa Whitetail Deer Association is Todd Landt. He is their voting member on the ACA Leadership Council (ACA Board of Directors) as named by the IWDA Board and during ACA conference calls he goes one record for IWDA on any voting decisions brought before the council. ALL votes are roll call and published online to ensure transparency. 


 


If Todd cant make it, their board can name an alternate to stand in his place for that specific meeting upon written notice from the president.  If there is no registered voting representative on for IWDA during the roll call vote, they will be marked absent. Even if another Iowa deer breeder is listening to the call he cannot speak for IWDA.   Its the only way the ACA can be sure each member association is being represented by the person their respective leadership has appointed to speak on their behalf. Its all preserve integrity.  Again, imagine if the ACA let an unauthorized person vote or speak for the member associaiton that conflicted with the wishes on their board.  We are trying to avoid that kind of controversy. 


 


I assure you there is no "politics" being played that need to be set aside.  When our members associations request help we do everything within our means to help.  I am sure Iowa, Wisconsin, Missouri, New York, North Carolina and many others would attest to this.  The unified cervid industry has just came together to work on PR which has already being seen in Missouri with several projects underway.  May others are currently in the works and the IndyStar is on the top of our list. 


 


Hotrod, the ACA would try to do whatever it can to help Indiana.  I am not sure what role you hold within the state organization but I would respectfully request you get your association councilman to participate to represent your needs. He is your representative.  I think I speak for all our councilman when I say he would be very welcome.


 


Please contact me further directly if you need to at [email protected].


 


Respectfully,


 


Travis Lowe
 
Travis,

Thank you for all you and the aca do! It's a shame that everyone cannot understand why by-laws are developed and adhered to when other associations do not.
 
Travis, I started the original lawsuit against the DNR in 2006, After winning an injunction I went back to court and got ALL the other Preserves in Indiana added so they would have the same protection and we have been fighting ever since.  We have had to operate each year not knowing if we would be operating the next or not. We had a major win last September in court but now have to protect it in the appellate court. I do not know the politics between the ACA and IDEFA but we are the Preserve owners of Indiana and are fighting for the Industry.


 


The Amicus brief is also called a filing of "friends of the court".  It simply allows organizations supporting the Plaintiff or Defendant to be noticed as a supporter to show the Court there are other people affected by the decision of the court.  If the ACA is not allowed to express their views in general as an organization for an industry they are supposed to represent I think there is a lot of people out there who will have their eyes opened.  Maybe there should be a clause in the by-laws that says, "Plus things that help defend the industry". Im not directing this toward you personally.   I have just fought this since 1999 and have seen and heard it all in court and in legislation and everywhere in between.  We just need people and organizations to take action so we can enjoy the last years of this industry.
 
Attoney Name


Bryan Babb


Bose Mckinney & Evans


111 Monument Circle, Suite 2700


Indianapolis, IN 46204


 


 


 


Please write ("Amicus" Bruce) on the Note line.


 


Thank you for helping our Industry.
 
Not much support 5 out of 173 views is terrible for the industry. And we wonder way the industry it is going down the drain. Indiana is a State we don't need to lose for sure. Come on get off your wallet. :)
 
Travis

Thanks for the enlightening information. I love how the ACA resourcefully bands the industry together. If organizations stand together and we are all banded together every state will win. I hope our Idefa board can soon grasp this as well.

Thanks and keep up the good work!
 
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Travis

Thanks for the enlightening information. I love how the ACA resourcefully bands the industry together. If organizations stand together and we are all banded together every state will win. I hope our Idefa board can soon grasp this as well.

Thanks and keep up the good work!




 


Thanks for the support, Mr Bell! 
 
Hotrod, do you mean we just make the check out to amicus Bruce, or make the check to the law firm and write amicus Bruce in the memo? I just want to make sure I send it out correctly. Thanks.
 
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Not much support 5 out of 173 views is terrible for the industry. And we wonder way the industry it is going down the drain. Indiana is a State we don't need to lose for sure. Come on get off your wallet. :)




Our check has been sent and we have already been repaid tenfold !!! We got to be a Deer Farmer another day !
 
Yes, Check goes to attorney Bryan Babb, Memo for "Amicus Bruce".  Just for routing purposes so everyone knows exactly the purpose.   Sorry for confusion. 


 


Thank you all. 
 

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