Illinois Geneticist Fined in Texas Deer Semen Case

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........no, the sad part is the deal between the buyer and seller - They knew it all was illegal - would like to hear the whole story, but know that wont happen..........
 
Well if no one is going to take up for Ray I will .Ray is a good guy,OK maybe he made some bad choices and felt pressured by his friendship w/ the other parties involved.

It was in poor taste to spread these stories even on our own site.

Now dont yall all get bent about what I posted I would take up for you also!

Ray is a good person I dont care what anybody says or prints.
 
Ray has supported our industry for years. Right or wrong we all make mistakes. The one thing to remember is there are plenty of sites using this against us already. I think this site shouldn't help make the industry look bad and this should have been put in the members only area and not at all in the public area.
 
Well, I was thinking that whenever we've had a buck drawn the person doing it didn't ask us where we got the buck or if it was ours. Isn't it possible someone just called him to do a semen draw and he did it? Don't know anything about this particular situation, but just was thinking out loud. Seems like drawing semen isn't illegal and if the buck is there illegally is should be on the guy who brought him in.
 
I agree.. Ray is a GREAT person and I am proud to call him a friend..I would like to know what was illegal about what he did..And what happened to the owner of said buck.. Wish I knew the whole story..But as I said before ,this doesn't make me look at Ray any different..Still a good guy
 
It was all over the Billy Powell deal. Taking bucks into Texas illegally and changing their names.

In a report I read it said that he admitted to knowing that they were in Texas illegally when he drew them. I suppose they want to make an example of him because he knew they were there illegally and didn't tell the authorities.
 
So he got in trouble because he didn't want to tell on one of his customers? First of all it is not.his job to ask questions about other farmers deer..he was there to draw a buck and that's it..Simple!!!
 
I have always thought a lot of mr ray and that will not change .people get crazy when it has something to do with a deer not sure why.i have lost several friends over a deer makes me sad.
 
Well i dont have anything good to add here as my personal business with him was terrible. Im not going to smear it here.............
 
Well on a positive note for this thread I met a good friend in a bad business deal this past year, not between us but we had the same fence builder workin on our farms and turned out that he was a crook!! We were just sayin the other day that our friendship was the only good thing we got out of him!!! Just my two cents. Charlie.
 
I posted the story because I too love Ray. I thought you guys might be interested in how we are treated when something like this occurs. I think Ray was given the short end of the stick and his contributions to our industry cannot be diminished by this.
 
i was meaning not to smear Dr Ray, I met him once and thought he was a good guy, I was just saying there is more to this story............................
 
There are two sides of this story,Ray's side and the fish and game side.Ray didn't drive the truck which crossed into Texas,he provided a collection service only.Ray was never contacted by Texas Animal Health over this issue(Ray's fine would have been $500.00).Ray was fined by Fish and Game using the Lacey Act on a "livestock" animal.Ray was given three options,(1) roll over on all the people he knows in this industry(2) go to court and face up to ten years in prison(3) take a plea agreement that was a $200,000 fine and 5years probation,which was REDUCED to $30,000 and 3 years probation by the judge at sentencing.The moral of this story is Fish and Game using the Lacey Act on livestock animals only this time adding semen to the list.Which option would you take if the Fish and Game crosshairs were on you? Ray's a friend and a good man and the only one that we will use to collect our animals!
 
Well, I really didn't want to comment on this but I feel obligated now. I DID NOT read th e article, but can clearly figure out the jist of it by the comments on the thread. I have known Ray for a few years. He has drawn several bucks for mr and has ALWAYS treated me and my fellow farmers with respect. He has conducted himself with complete professionalism.



Here is my take on this. Like I said Ray has completed semen draws for me. He has shown up at my farm when scheduled. The buck has been darted,the semen collected and processed and then stored. Nothing else asked or divulged from either side. I think it is only ASSUMED that the everything else is in order on the farm. The state regulation agency should be responsible for everything else. Just my opinon.



Ray is still top notch in my book !!
 
Ray has drawn several bucks for me and for the folks that I board deer for..............Always did a good job and no problems..............And about 1/2 price of what another BIG name guy charged me for the same service!



Ray is a good guy............PERIOD!!!



ALOT of folks have done ALOT worse things in the Deer Industry and MOST look at them as Saints!



Just my 2 cents
 
Whitetail Sanctuary said:
Ray has drawn several bucks for me and for the folks that I board deer for..............Always did a good job and no problems..............And about 1/2 price of what another BIG name guy charged me for the same service!



Ray is a good guy............PERIOD!!!



ALOT of folks have done ALOT worse things in the Deer Industry and MOST look at them as Saints!



Just my 2 cents
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True Dat!!!! So True Dat!!!!!!
 

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