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Morton Whitetails

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Does anyone know where I can learn how to A.I. my own does? Also, do you have to be a vet to Lap A.I.?



Happy New Year Everyone!
 
There are many on here who do ******l A/I. I know mike up @ Four Seasons does his own and Scott up @ Apple Creek can help you also.Kelly Powell up @ Grizzly can too! Lap A/I is alittle different animal! I would have to use a trained A/I tech for sure. Just my thoughts
 
Anyone can AI ******ly I know many who do it with great success. As far as lap AI it is illegal to do it yourself. You have to be a liscensed vet cause it is considered a surgery.

I live in western PA and do it my self with some other local farmers. You would be more than welcome to come learn from us.
 
Thank you guys for the replies. I was considering A.I.ing my own does ******lly, but I am having second thoughts. Even though lap is costly, I am probably better off doing lap a.i. when using the high dollar semen. Those who do a.i. ******lly, what are your conception rates?



Thanks Bill for the video! We have Lap A.I.ed our does for several year now, but I have never gotten the chance to observe the whole procedure.
 
You can do it your self, it is real easy to do. As long as you time everything right you will do fine. This was just my second year to do it, I had a good sucess rate the first year and expect this year will be as good or better. I did split straw's this year and as far as I can tell it worked just as good as a full straw.



My first year I did 5 of my doe's, 3 of 5 took the two that did not were yearling's and the tool I used was real hard to do the yearling's.

I did 2 doe's that were not mine and they both took. so for the first year 5 of 7



this year I went to a french gun so I could split straw's and that also made it easy to do the yearling's

I did 10 doe's here this year and 2 for another farm.
 
I probably should not even chime in here but I will. I think that ******l AI is a practice that all breeders should know. If you know the procedure you will be more versed in the whole breeding process, even LAP AI.

Also I do not think it is illegal to LAP AI your own animals, if you own them, and you preform the procedure yourself. Where the legalities come in is when you are doing it for someone else or are charging for the procedure. Just my thoughts.

One other thought, what if you were to try a few ******lly the first year or two and then have the rest LAP AI'd by a respectable AI tech. Compare your results and then make the decision based on your own outcome, not on other folks theories. Many folks across the country do their own AI work and have great success.
 
It is a very easy thing to do. I did 2 last year and they stuck giving me 5 fawns. This year i did 6 and we never see the backup buck anywhere near them!!! I would have to say i am battin 100% so far but we will see soon enough. The first 2 years i used full straws just to be sure i was where i was supposed to be.. This fall i will be splitting a few straws and breeding many more does. I went and spent so time with kelly and he made sure i was 100% sure i was grasping what he was doing. In my opinion you will not find a better teacher!!! I bought their ai kit at the michigan fundraiser and the rest is history!! I would tell anyone that has deer to breed their own. You take care of your deer,you know your deer better than anyone so i see no reason to let anyone else breed your deer. There is also great satisfaction when those little guys come out before their ai date and you know it was done by your hands!!!!
 
Midwest Deer Sales said:
I probably should not even chime in here but I will. I think that ******l AI is a practice that all breeders should know. If you know the procedure you will be more versed in the whole breeding process, even LAP AI.

Also I do not think it is illegal to LAP AI your own animals, if you own them, and you preform the procedure yourself. Where the legalities come in is when you are doing it for someone else or are charging for the procedure. Just my thoughts.

One other thought, what if you were to try a few ******lly the first year or two and then have the rest LAP AI'd by a respectable AI tech. Compare your results and then make the decision based on your own outcome, not on other folks theories. Many folks across the country do their own AI work and have great success.
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Eric, I agree. I think it would be wise of me to learn how to a.i. ******lly. I could see where is would be very useful if you wanted to breed more does to a yearling breeder buck. He could only live cover maybe half a dozen... so you could a.i. some does yourself using his straws.
 
Four Seasons Whitetails said:
It is a very easy thing to do. I did 2 last year and they stuck giving me 5 fawns. This year i did 6 and we never see the backup buck anywhere near them!!! I would have to say i am battin 100% so far but we will see soon enough. The first 2 years i used full straws just to be sure i was where i was supposed to be.. This fall i will be splitting a few straws and breeding many more does. I went and spent so time with kelly and he made sure i was 100% sure i was grasping what he was doing. In my opinion you will not find a better teacher!!! I bought their ai kit at the michigan fundraiser and the rest is history!! I would tell anyone that has deer to breed their own. You take care of your deer,you know your deer better than anyone so i see no reason to let anyone else breed your deer. There is also great satisfaction when those little guys come out before their ai date and you know it was done by your hands!!!!
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I came across Kelly's A.I. kits a couple months ago. They look very professional. I think I might try to contact him and see if I could learn from them. That way I can a.i. some of my does myself.
 
Eric, you might want to do a little more research because it is illegal to do Lap AI work on your own deer. Maybe it is not every were but it is in PA. Trust me I looked into it cause I was going to do it myself . It is illegal to perform any surgery without a licsense.
 
Morton, if we timed it right I would not mind coming to your farm if you paid my expenses and showing you how I was instructed to do AI. I learned from Kelly and Hillary Powell. I have done pretty close to 1000 animals. My success rate has been right around 70-75% taking yearlings out of the equation. Doing AI on yearlings drastically reduces your success rates. When do you normally do your AI? I would be happy to give you the phone numbers for a few people who I have bred for if you wanted them.



Sincerely,



John Botts
 
Illegal in PA....don't try it......or at least don't get caught!! Big difference with Lap AI....should be a licensed person doing it if you ask me........
 
Johnny B said:
Morton, if we timed it right I would not mind coming to your farm if you paid my expenses and showing you how I was instructed to do AI. I learned from Kelly and Hillary Powell. I have done pretty close to 1000 animals. My success rate has been right around 70-75% taking yearlings out of the equation. Doing AI on yearlings drastically reduces your success rates. When do you normally do your AI? I would be happy to give you the phone numbers for a few people who I have bred for if you wanted them.



Sincerely,



John Botts
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John, thanks for the offer. I will keep you in mind. We usually a.i. the first week of november.



Here is what concerns me,... many of our a.i. does next fall will be yearlings. Does everyone else have issues with their yearling does? John, are you using full straws or do you split them?
 
I myself have never bred a yearling. I see no problem with just live breeding with one of the good farm bucks the first year. Most farms have atleast one farm buck that if bred to a good yearling will make a good shooter at the least.
 
The yearling issue I think you will find is only when doing AI. Live breeding a yearling is not an issue at all. I split 90% of the straws that my friends use. The only time we dont is if we know the semen is a little weaker, or if it is semen from their own deer. Feel free to shoot me a PM, like I said you could certianly talk with any of the people that I breed for. I dont do it to make a living, its more of a hobby for me. I love working with deer, I have met some great people in the industry. Thats why I stay at it. If your going to get an AI kit I reccomend the Grizzly AI kit. I have used it, and really like it. Just keep me posted with whatever your thinking. Good luck either way.



Sincerely,



John Botts
 
I have had the yearling thing go both ways on A/I. I seems to be a crap shoot at best for us. I have had limited succsess both Lap and ******l on yearlings. But still base my decision on A/I or live cover based on the cross that I feel will have the most impact on my farm.But rarely rule out A/I ing a praticular doe because of her age.
 
Wayne, I think you hit the nail on the head. Based on the way deer are bred, your yearlings should be your best genetically. So to hold them off on breeding just because you don't want to risk the 50% chance of them taking seems like a risk I would like to take.



-John Botts
 

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