Minnesota Red Deer Herd Depopulated; No New CWD Positives Found

sounds communist to me all that good meat to waste cwd does not effect humans I thought ? what a bunch of crooks this country has become T&S

This further explains why the wild populations are thriving in CWD hot zones. That doesn't sound very much like an infectious disease that is going to wipe out or be any real detriment to any states deer population .

I'm sorry but this just shows how barbaric all of this CRAP is. As I have said before it would be over my dead body! We need to demand these animals be used for research and meat be processed. Our society is so wasteful! To just throw carcass aside for the sake of power. This is where nadefa and the people of this industry need to step up and say NO MORE!!!

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I'm sorry but this just shows how barbaric all of this CRAP is. As I have said before it would be over my dead body! We need to demand these animals be used for research and meat be processed. Our society is so wasteful! To just throw carcass aside for the sake of power. This is where nadefa and the people of this industry need to step up and say NO MORE!!!And that won't happen untill lawsuits are thrown from every corner if every state that has cervid farming! They are not getting a fight back so they are worried about nothing and we show no threat!

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Maybe we should start cervix farming we might get more hunters on board Lmao

You had to go and change it!

Even worse, their land is quarantined for five years for one positive out of 500 animals. USAHA Kansas City if you want to make a change.


Gary, How much an acre does the property in that area bring? I would guess $10-20,000 per acre or more??

The farm is IN North Oaks, on the north side of Minneapolis.  North Oaks was recently named in a survey to have the highest average income in the state of Minnesota.   There are multi-million dollar homes all around that farm.  I would bet lots around there would bring $200,000 to $500,000 and more for larger acreages.  This is one of highest valued real estate markets in Minnesota. 


Gary

That is a very interesting article re that herd having no additional CWD positives out of 500 animals. It would seem to call into question the "science" behind the current CWD craze and concern. Clearly if CWD was even half as contagious as they claim it is, there would have been more animals testing positive for CWD when they depopulated their herd. Four Seasons Whitetails makes a good point. While we are unfortunatley an overly litigious society, easily jumping into lawsuits, the fact is that there is a good deal of truth to that old adage "The squeaky wheel gets the grease", and in this case it is the CWD fanatics that are the "squeaky wheel". With the consistently mounting news stories about CWD and the deer farming industry being the culprit and supposedly a threat to the Nation's wildlife, it would seem to be time to begin aggressively defending the rights of the deer farmer, and, perhaps with the Minnesota case as an example, begin working to try and debunk and deflect some of the CWD hysteria. There's no doubt that many legislators in many States, legislate in a knee jerk fashion, often reacting to high profile news stories that are out in the public eye, so that they (the legislator) can seem to be on top of things. When you look at the situation in Indiana for instance, with the Governor taking the summer to mull over border closure due to CWD concerns, it's obvious that we are way past the point where CWD is going to be a tiny blip on the radar of the deer farming industry. We don't want to find ourselves in the "too little, too late" category. The time to vigorously advocate (politically, legislatively and thru proactive legal action) is now.

I would add another comment on this topic. With the recent high profile success of the "Blackfish" documentary (bashing Sea World re their handling of killer whales) I would suspect that the anti-hunting and anti-preserve hunting groups might well try the same thing regarding hunting and deer farming. In this day and age of the Internet, Twitter and other aspects of social media, it can take only a matter of days for an issue to "go viral" as the saying goes. All the more reason for deer farmers across the Nation to act now to do everything possible to safeguard the industry and to advocate for the industry. I realize that most deer farmers are small entrepreneurs and no doubt many of us have the mindset "well, what can I do, I'm only one person" but I think all deer farmers need to be putting pressure on their National and State deer farming representatives to make it clear to the various State Governments that, while we perhaps understand their concerns, we want this issue dealt with in a rational manner, not with knee jerk reactions, not with hysteria, not with pandering to news media, etc.. The findings in this Minnesota incident should give any rational mind pause as to some of the current "wisdom" about CWD.

I talked to Dr. Hartman yesterday.  He confirmed to me that there was no new positives at the Red Deer farm.  What sucks for the Red Deer farm is, they are STILL required to quarantine their property for 5 years, even with just one positive, as per herd plan!!!!!  They get NO compensation for their land.

As a industry we need to push for compensation for loss of land use!!!

Gary, I would be the guy in jail because the way I see it is that they depopulated me to the point where I no longer have a herd so the fences would come down! No Herd!!! No Plan Any Longer Needed!

Here is the value of the land and homes that the 500 head of Red Deer were on in North Oaks.


How would you like to own land that lots were selling for $349,000, and have your land quarantined for 5 years?


 

(0,0,0);Georgia, Palatino, Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;15pxNorth Oaks Homes for Sale: MLS Listings on CBBurnet.com


 

 

Active Listing

 

Lowest Price

 

Average Price

 

Highest Price

 

Single Family

57

 

$298,500

 

$950,309

 

$2,785,000

 

Townhome

3

 

$499,900

 

$737,966

 

$919,000

 

Lots & Land

1

 

$349,000

 

$349,000

 

$349,000

 


(0,0,0);Georgia, Palatino, Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;15pxAs of 9/16/2014

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As a industry we need to push for compensation for loss of land use!!!




To do this, every deer farm state in this country needs to send a minimum of two representatives to USAHA meeting in Kansas City in October.  All land quarantines should be based off of an epidemiological investigation (CWD exposure, tracebacks vs natural additions vs. acre size) following the depopulation of each property.  


 


If memory serves me correctly, five year land quarantines are not in the CWD rule.  It was developed in the CWD Standards.  The Standards can be changed. Taking people's property for five years and expecting the owner to maintain the property and fence is serious which can bring extreme hardship to the property owner.  


 


AND wildlife should never been allowed to be exempted from the CWD rule.

It's simple, the DNR people want every hunter to check their hunter harvested deer to see if they have it, as soon as they find it, they better quarantine whatever farm they find it on in the wild. Watch the private land hunting lock up at that point!!! It would make exactly the same sense as throwing a quarantine on the red deer farm with 1 positive animal..

We should all demand a 30+ mile radius or a county buffer. That's how far they might have traveled. And nobody can sell crops from that radius!

Deer dispersal research and chronic wasting disease


March 15, 2013

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UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. -- Between 2001 and 2005, when Duane Diefenbach was studying the dispersal of young white-tailed deer, he had no idea the research would prove useful in trying to contain an outbreak of chronic wasting disease (CWD) in the Keystone State.


By 2008, when the results of the collaborative research project conducted by Penn State, the Pennsylvania Game Commission and the U.S. Geological Survey were published in an issue of Behavioral Ecology, it occurred to him that his work might have epidemiological implications.


The study, which involved 500 radio-collared deer from Centre and Armstrong counties that ended up in 10 other surrounding counties, was part of the Game Commission's evaluation of changes to the state's deer population resulting from antler restrictions aimed at allowing male deer to grow older.


The research took place before CWD showed up in New York, West Virginia and Maryland. The disease, which always is fatal to deer and elk, has persisted in the West for more than three decades. Wildlife biologists knew the malady slowly was marching east, but they had not yet been faced with the reality it had arrived in Pennsylvania.


Recently the Game Commission announced that brain-tissue tests conducted on wild Pennsylvania deer taken by hunters last fall revealed that three were infected with CWD. Those animals were killed in Bedford and Blair counties.


Last fall, tests revealed that two captive deer at a private game farm in Adams County had CWD. So, state wildlife officials now are focused on keeping the disease from spreading into other southern counties and to the Northern Tier.


In his four-year study, Diefenbach, adjunct associate professor of wildlife ecology in Penn State's College of Agricultural Sciences and leader of the Pennsylvania Cooperative Fish and Wildlife Research Unit, documented deer dispersal behavior that provides insight into how far and how fast CWD could spread among wild deer.


"We learned that 70 percent of yearling males will disperse, and the average dispersal is six to seven miles," he said. "Depending on the amount of forest on the landscape, those yearling males may go just a mile or as far as 30 miles."


In Pennsylvania, few young female deer disperse, Diefenbach noted, but when they do, they usually go farther than the males -- some much farther.


"On average, females go about 12 miles, but their behavior is different from males," he said. "When males disperse, they go in one direction and are finished moving in 12 to 24 hours. When females disperse, they engage in strange, seemingly random movements -- wandering over the landscape and often changing directions.


"Their movement can take weeks or months, and we don't know what is driving them to disperse. It is unexpected, peculiar behavior."


Diefenbach said one female in Indiana County went well over 100 miles but ended up only 30 miles from where she was born. "And we documented other females that made similar movements."


Why all of this is important, he explained, is it gives deer managers like Game Commission biologists a solid idea how far CWD-causing prions might be carried by free-ranging deer.


Now, researchers at Penn State are using results from Diefenbach's study to model how and where the disease will spread in Pennsylvania.


David Walter, adjunct associate professor of wildlife ecology and assistant leader of the Pennsylvania Cooperative Fish and Wildlife Research Unit, and Tyler Evans, a master's degree candidate in Wildlife and Fisheries Science from Salem, Ohio, are collaborating with the Game Commission to conduct the research.


Walter is no stranger to chronic wasting disease -- he studied its spread in the endemic region (where CWD originated) in western Nebraska, Colorado and Wyoming.


"We know now how deer move on the landscape, so we hope Dr. Walter's research will help us make better predictions about how CWD will spread," Diefenbach said. "So far, most research has simply observed retrospectively where the disease shows up over time, but it is much more difficult to predict the future movement of disease. Our research defining how deer actually travel will make that much more possible."


Scientists know that the disease spreads through the combination of an animal moving and either interacting directly with another animal, or contracting it indirectly through the environment. Diefenbach's research showed that deer in Pennsylvania are much more likely to disperse parallel to ridges than perpendicular to them. And larger, busy roads and rivers influence the direction they disperse and also where they stop.


"We know a deer has to go from one location to another to transmit the disease. But when the disease pops up in a new location, does that represent the fact that one animal moved there, or is there some progression of infected animals -- and we just happened to detect one?"


Diefenbach's research showed that in forested landscapes, deer did not disperse as far. So in areas with fragmented forest interspersed with fields and development, deer likely will move farther. Hence CWD would be expected to spread more quickly.


"Northcentral Pennsylvania is 90 percent forest, but we have other areas that are less than 30 percent forest -- there is a huge variability in the amount of forest on the landscape," he said.


"So, in parts of the state with less forest, the Game Commission may have to consider disease-management areas that are larger, and it also has implications on sampling efforts to try to get a handle on the prevalence of the disease."


http://news.psu.edu/story/268847/2013/03/15/deer-dispersal-research-and-chronic-wasting-disease

Jerrilee,  I was told there is going to be a report released in January, done in North Dakota, that collared 75 deer and released them back in the same zone.  These deer travel movements were documented where does were recorded moving 200 miles, and bucks moving 300 miles.  This is going to blow holes in states wanting to close borders to us.  These deer do not respect borders.  There is more CWD moving around by the wild deer herd than conservation will admit.  The DNR needs to test at 100% for several years, to really see the situation they are in.  Instead of sticking their heads in the sand, and testing at 1/2 of 1%.  I am tired of seeing these deer farms being used as "canaries in the coal mine".  They use us to find these zones, then blame us for causing the CWD in that zone.  Kind of like blaming the canary for the methane build-up in the coal mine isn't it?

GO you hit another nail on the head, Deer out west do a lot of migrating from one range to another every year vs  some of our eastern and southern herds. Same for Elk. Its up to us to stay on top and help the general public and sportsman get the real facts and whole story vs a single sided version.