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NTFARC welcomes Josh Lundberg as the new Coalition Director for NAEBA. NTFARC sincerely appreciates NAEBA's continued support of the Coalition and the industry and we look forward to working with Josh.



NTFARC thanks Joel Espe, NAEBA's former Coalition Director, for his many years of dedicated service to the coalition and this industry.



David L. Autry

NTFARC VP
 
Kim, I see someone deleted your post about me needing to be truthful. Again I ask, What do you feel is untruthful?



Did you not send me an email this evening stating that Josh would be representing NAEBA in regard to the coalition?
 
IndependenceRanch said:
Is anyone else sick of this game of beat on each other? Someone needs to be banned.



No...A few people.. Have to stop bashing a guy that comes on here and tells the truth and then shows the facts to back up his statement! There are people coming on here making their first posts and using fake names and yes there was a post removed off of this thread. Some might not like it but there is always someone out there that knows a little more than the next guy!
 
Below you will find two posts from wapitinet that hopefully will help explain this thread.



http://www.wapiti.net/discussion/discussion.cfm?discussion=164



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Message Title: NTFARC News

Author: Kim Kafka NAEBA Posted: 04\03\2013 00:54

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The NAEBA Board of Directors are aware the NTFARC has not keep current with it's bylaw requirements of meetings and reelection of officers.Please keep NAEBA abreast if any future action is considered in the event the coalition moves forward or seeks options of disillusion.Josh Lundberg will represent NAEBA in the event anything transpires



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Message Title: NTFARC News

Author: Autry Posted: 04\03\2013 08:38

Location: TN

Message:

Kim,



NTFARC appreciates NAEBA's interest in the coalition and we will keep your Coalition Director (Josh Lundberg) updated as we move forward to defend, educate and protect the industry just as NTFARC has done in the past.



NTFARC is no different than NAEBA or any other organization in regard to their by-laws. Has NTFARC crossed every t or dotted every i? Certainly not and neither has NAEBA.



NTFARC has no plans for dissolution although there is at least one or two that would like to see that happen. As you already know, there are also some that don't approve of NAEBA. You can't please everyone!
 
I am mistified at the attacks on David. I never agree with anyone 100% of the time but holy cow, you guys are acting like dictators. Seems that everyone is happy as long as its who they want attacked being attacked. I can't believe someone asking for him to be banned or this thread to be deleted. What is so outrageous about what he said. I know NADeFA works its butt off for the industry and people keep on trying to beat us up on here as well. I never ask to ban or delete them. It doesn't matter if we all agree or not but allow the discussion to take place. I think you all give to much credit to the outside people who read this forum. Every industry has differences of opinions.
 
We are well past the point of needing to grow up! It seems to me that all the organizations here are on our side. Some may take different paths to reach the goals and some may have different goals but hopefully the outcome will be positive.

We can choose to support all are any of those organizations. But we should not be attacking any of them. The truth is what it is whether we like it or not.

CAN WE STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON THIS SITE PERIOD. This is in no way going to help our industry.
 
I am closely monitoring this thread. Not sure what the hell is going on but this infighting is starting to annoy me! Why the furor over a simple announcement? Kim (or anyone else) if you have some GOOD reasons why David's posting should be removed, PM or e-mail me.



Maybe, I need to shut down these forums for a few days for everyone to cool off.



Russell

Webmaster
 
Russell, I don't know Autry or Kim. What I am is sick of the infighting in the industry and the constant nameless attacks against each other. People making comments like "watch who you follow" and "those with an agenda" and comments of the like.

Our industry is dying off more and more every day. Someone I consider a very good friend texted me today and stated ".....as I can tell the rules haven't gotten worse....."

However that simply is not true. The industry is continually being chopped away at. In 2012 I built yet another completely brand new farm. When I built it I went what I thought was an extra 2 miles in an effort to open up even more markets for myself. I am certified by my state as double fenced and I used 10' wire for the perimeter fence. Now just this last week I found out that a state who has taken my deer for years just recently changed its rules to state I would HAVE to be double fenced in order to ship to them. The additional costs incurred building what I thought was an extra high level facility to open up new markets to me only kept me in the game in a state I used to already have open to me. And in fact as it stands I am still losing ground because some other states I have been able to ship to are denying entry saying..."we are delaying permits so growers have more time to think if they really want to bring those deer into their farms." WTF kind of manipulation by government officials is that???

Folks are tired of this constant decay of our industry. We want to see change in a positive direction!

I have been asked...."Who is to blame? Nadefa or the people in that state who didn't take preemptive measures?" To that I say this. Then why do I pay membership dues and donate to the national org when I should apparently be supporting only state orgs since they are the ones who have all the control??? I guess maybe supporting NADEFA is incorrect and what I should instead be doing is supporting state orgs in the states I have a desire to do business with.

I know I am not the only person who feels this way. I have spoken with guys who have spent considerable money and time opening farms in other states or making contacts so they could use their farms in other states as an alternative option to potential buyers. But then have those options limited or even closed due to heavy handed government bullying. Yet instead of all working together to fix the issues some want to play games attacking each other and undermining the efforts of others.

I am sorry if someone has put considerable time into doing good in the industry and now others want more and this hurts your egos. It is not to say we aren't thankful for the work everyone has done. What we are though is ready for a fight. Many have hinted to and begged for the industry to fight this decay of our ability to do business. We are ready to support any person or org willing to lead or help in the fight. If this means NADEFA, ACA, blah blah blah or Joe Smoe from Kokomo it doesn't matter. We are ready to fight for our rights to do business! And those who want to try and undermine those efforts should shut the hell up!
 
Gee guys if someone has somesort of information let him post it ! If we agree with that info great if not , so what ? I'm interested in ALL information good or bad , but lets then use this information in a way that can do some good for our industry ! Everyone has an opinion but lets be civil in how we react to it ! Allot of effort going down the drain here with the bitching and bickering , lets put it towards something good, great efforts going to waist here . Lets bundle all the info we can and DO SOMETHING WITH IT in our favor ! We can win these battles if we really pull together and function as a group ! I agree I just want to see something go in OUR direction for a change , I'm tired of the bullcrap we've allowed to be put upon us as cervid farmers ! It's time to take a stand and say enough is enough !
 
Just got an email from NADeFA and Shawn regarding the new program standards etc. Some pros and some cons. Appreciate an official statement of the current state of affairs - what they are working on and what we've gained. Check it out.
 
IndependenceRanch said:
Russell, I don't know Autry or Kim. What I am is sick of the infighting in the industry and the constant nameless attacks against each other. People making comments like "watch who you follow" and "those with an agenda" and comments of the like.

Our industry is dying off more and more every day. Someone I consider a very good friend texted me today and stated ".....as I can tell the rules haven't gotten worse....."

However that simply is not true. The industry is continually being chopped away at. In 2012 I built yet another completely brand new farm. When I built it I went what I thought was an extra 2 miles in an effort to open up even more markets for myself. I am certified by my state as double fenced and I used 10' wire for the perimeter fence. Now just this last week I found out that a state who has taken my deer for years just recently changed its rules to state I would HAVE to be double fenced in order to ship to them. The additional costs incurred building what I thought was an extra high level facility to open up new markets to me only kept me in the game in a state I used to already have open to me. And in fact as it stands I am still losing ground because some other states I have been able to ship to are denying entry saying..."we are delaying permits so growers have more time to think if they really want to bring those deer into their farms." WTF kind of manipulation by government officials is that???

Folks are tired of this constant decay of our industry. We want to see change in a positive direction!

I have been asked...."Who is to blame? Nadefa or the people in that state who didn't take preemptive measures?" To that I say this. Then why do I pay membership dues and donate to the national org when I should apparently be supporting only state orgs since they are the ones who have all the control??? I guess maybe supporting NADEFA is incorrect and what I should instead be doing is supporting state orgs in the states I have a desire to do business with.

I know I am not the only person who feels this way. I have spoken with guys who have spent considerable money and time opening farms in other states or making contacts so they could use their farms in other states as an alternative option to potential buyers. But then have those options limited or even closed due to heavy handed government bullying. Yet instead of all working together to fix the issues some want to play games attacking each other and undermining the efforts of others.

I am sorry if someone has put considerable time into doing good in the industry and now others want more and this hurts your egos. It is not to say we aren't thankful for the work everyone has done. What we are though is ready for a fight. Many have hinted to and begged for the industry to fight this decay of our ability to do business. We are ready to support any person or org willing to lead or help in the fight. If this means NADEFA, ACA, blah blah blah or Joe Smoe from Kokomo it doesn't matter. We are ready to fight for our rights to do business! And those who want to try and undermine those efforts should shut the hell up!

Very well said!!! I think what you just said is a good representation of how we all feel! Its time to move forward! Its time to stand up! Its time to unite !
 
Russell is right.....after I reread the initial post by David there was really no reason I could see for being upset with what he posted.....i deleted my post as I do not feel it was warranted in this situation........I am tired of the bickering and will just do my best to ignore it going forward.......we are all nervous, upset and tired of the way we have been / and are being treated in this Industry........being United is the answer.....Divided we fall!
 
IndependenceRanch said:
Russell, I don't know Autry or Kim. What I am is sick of the infighting in the industry and the constant nameless attacks against each other. People making comments like "watch who you follow" and "those with an agenda" and comments of the like.

Our industry is dying off more and more every day. Someone I consider a very good friend texted me today and stated ".....as I can tell the rules haven't gotten worse....."

However that simply is not true. The industry is continually being chopped away at. In 2012 I built yet another completely brand new farm. When I built it I went what I thought was an extra 2 miles in an effort to open up even more markets for myself. I am certified by my state as double fenced and I used 10' wire for the perimeter fence. Now just this last week I found out that a state who has taken my deer for years just recently changed its rules to state I would HAVE to be double fenced in order to ship to them. The additional costs incurred building what I thought was an extra high level facility to open up new markets to me only kept me in the game in a state I used to already have open to me. And in fact as it stands I am still losing ground because some other states I have been able to ship to are denying entry saying..."we are delaying permits so growers have more time to think if they really want to bring those deer into their farms." WTF kind of manipulation by government officials is that???

Folks are tired of this constant decay of our industry. We want to see change in a positive direction!

I have been asked...."Who is to blame? Nadefa or the people in that state who didn't take preemptive measures?" To that I say this. Then why do I pay membership dues and donate to the national org when I should apparently be supporting only state orgs since they are the ones who have all the control??? I guess maybe supporting NADEFA is incorrect and what I should instead be doing is supporting state orgs in the states I have a desire to do business with.

I know I am not the only person who feels this way. I have spoken with guys who have spent considerable money and time opening farms in other states or making contacts so they could use their farms in other states as an alternative option to potential buyers. But then have those options limited or even closed due to heavy handed government bullying. Yet instead of all working together to fix the issues some want to play games attacking each other and undermining the efforts of others.

I am sorry if someone has put considerable time into doing good in the industry and now others want more and this hurts your egos. It is not to say we aren't thankful for the work everyone has done. What we are though is ready for a fight. Many have hinted to and begged for the industry to fight this decay of our ability to do business. We are ready to support any person or org willing to lead or help in the fight. If this means NADEFA, ACA, blah blah blah or Joe Smoe from Kokomo it doesn't matter. We are ready to fight for our rights to do business! And those who want to try and undermine those efforts should shut the hell up!



I said it all along i believe. The fed rule is a joke but the states can sink ya. I think Shawn said that way back when..We have to work with our own states and work on improvements from the inside. Do we need NADEFA? You bet ya but we will get further on our own working inside our own states. Double fence still wont get ya in Ny but it will get ya in some states. We will always have rules untill this CWD crap plays itself out. Its your decision if you want to work with them and stay in business or wait untill a rule is changed that really is not stopping you from doing business!
 
If no one really knows all that much about CWD and how it is transmitted and how deadly it really is then how will the double fence idea really help much if any ? I understand the nose to nose contact with free range deer but other than that what will the double fence accomplish ? What about birds , racoons , squirrels or anything that can get in and out of our pens ? Do we know only deer themselves can transmitt CWD to one another ? Am I missing something here ?
 
Wooden acres said:
If no one really knows all that much about CWD and how it is transmitted and how deadly it really is then how will the double fence idea really help much if any ? I understand the nose to nose contact with free range deer but other than that what will the double fence accomplish ? What about birds , racoons , squirrels or anything that can get in and out of our pens ? Do we know only deer themselves can transmitt CWD to one another ? Am I missing something here ?



I'd say you've hit the nail on the head.

The regulatory bodies don't know whats going on with this disease, or they are too afraid to point the finger at "ALL" the potential routes of transmission. They feel its important to look like they're doing something, so they see the deer industry as a soft target . A target who's already got several hunting orgs slanging off about ethics & tradition, so they start with the lowest fruit & look like everyones actually working on the issue.



Meanwhile the disease will continue to spread unless "ALL" the vectors are addressed.



I'd be getting on the front foot & matching the claims from the ethics nazi's, with claims regarding the origin of this disease, & the routes of transmission from a lack of good bio security from these blowhards.



Be careful not to shoot ourselves in the foot though, by raising negatives thoughtlessly. Constantly take the position that the Deer industry is seeking a proper abatement action, instead if seeking hidden agendas (ethics,etc) which some of the other stakeholders appear to be obsessed with. Keep refocusing the argument back on the disease & action needed as much as we can. This refocusing is where the other stakeholders skeletons can be politely pointed out or brought into the light. The deer industry can come out as the real hero's in the battle on this disease by taking the high ground & focusing on the disease itself more than the others have.



Sharkey
 
Wooden acres said:
If no one really knows all that much about CWD and how it is transmitted and how deadly it really is then how will the double fence idea really help much if any ? I understand the nose to nose contact with free range deer but other than that what will the double fence accomplish ? What about birds , racoons , squirrels or anything that can get in and out of our pens ? Do we know only deer themselves can transmitt CWD to one another ? Am I missing something here ?



As long as the Government Agencies can force us to test OUR deer and We keep finding it for them....................they are NOT going to TEST..................ANYTHING ELSE!!!



They have found DEER FARMERS..................Make GREAT Scape Goats!!:mad:
 

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