I've got a 2 month old fawn with a massive lump under it's ear and above the eye. I know it's infected and we've caught him twice to administer antibiotics. But I know we need to drain it.....it looks horrible. What drug do you guys use to knock down a fawn and how much? The skin is already thinning and will blow open eventually but I feel it would be better for us to drain it and maybe give him a shot of Fusogard and some more antibiotics. What do you think?
I hate darting fawns...
can you catch him, hands on?? If so then hand stick him with some BAM or Domitor. I've used 1/4 to 1/2cc of 1mg/ml Domitor on small fawns, you can get it from most any small animal vet. Use Antesedan to reverse(1/2 cc IM), get it from the same vet.
Not sure on dosage with the BAM
can you catch him, hands on?? If so then hand stick him with some BAM or Domitor. I've used 1/4 to 1/2cc of 1mg/ml Domitor on small fawns, you can get it from most any small animal vet. Use Antesedan to reverse(1/2 cc IM), get it from the same vet.
Not sure on dosage with the BAM
The only meds I have available right now is Telazol and Xylazine......and yes,
we could hand catch him to administer the drug.
we could hand catch him to administer the drug.
I've put fawns down before with Telazol and Xylazine and have had no problems.
I used 100mg/ml Xylazine and mixed 9 ml Xylazine per 5ml bottle of Telazol.
I've darted them, which makes me extra nervous due to the size of the target, and I've caught them and hand syringed it in them. Since you said you could catch the fawn, that's what I would do. Get his head covered as soon as he is caught for the calming affect.
I always give the IM shots in back end of the hind quarter where the hair is white. Whenever I asperate there I have never hit a vein, as opposed to going in the side of the hind quarter. So, for that reason there I just always put my shots there to safeguard against the times I might forget to asperate.
How much? Since I'm not there to see the fawn's size, I'm a bit reluctant to say. With a 2 month old fawn in my pen, I would start with 2 to 3 tenths of a cc. Pretty confident that ''IF'' you had to give it more, it would certainly not need more than one tenth to no more than two tenths to get the job done. If your lancing something, you want the fawn out that's for sure.
I darted over 20 fawns last fall using the mix I described. It was in October and they were mother feds, so they were of course bigger than what a fawn would be now. I used 1/2 cc darts and all went down good, and stayed down.
Your fawn is smaller, plus you will be syringing the tranq in him, hence making sure he gets every bit, that's why I would do the smaller dose of 2to 3 tenths.
I'm only saying here what worked for me and guessing what is gonna work for you and why.
Hope you the best!
I used 100mg/ml Xylazine and mixed 9 ml Xylazine per 5ml bottle of Telazol.
I've darted them, which makes me extra nervous due to the size of the target, and I've caught them and hand syringed it in them. Since you said you could catch the fawn, that's what I would do. Get his head covered as soon as he is caught for the calming affect.
I always give the IM shots in back end of the hind quarter where the hair is white. Whenever I asperate there I have never hit a vein, as opposed to going in the side of the hind quarter. So, for that reason there I just always put my shots there to safeguard against the times I might forget to asperate.
How much? Since I'm not there to see the fawn's size, I'm a bit reluctant to say. With a 2 month old fawn in my pen, I would start with 2 to 3 tenths of a cc. Pretty confident that ''IF'' you had to give it more, it would certainly not need more than one tenth to no more than two tenths to get the job done. If your lancing something, you want the fawn out that's for sure.
I darted over 20 fawns last fall using the mix I described. It was in October and they were mother feds, so they were of course bigger than what a fawn would be now. I used 1/2 cc darts and all went down good, and stayed down.
Your fawn is smaller, plus you will be syringing the tranq in him, hence making sure he gets every bit, that's why I would do the smaller dose of 2to 3 tenths.
I'm only saying here what worked for me and guessing what is gonna work for you and why.
Hope you the best!
I am no expert but I have put a 12 week old fawn out for a quick repair with 1cc of Xylazine 100ml strength without telazol. It was a bottle fed and it was not a long complicated ordeal. We reversed it with 1cc of tolezine in about 40 minutes with no ill effects. Just my opinion though, has I said I'm not an expert. Rick
Deer Dee I am by far an expert but I have had a couple of issues this year with a couple of my fawns and I used 1/3cc of straight xylazine to put them down to put stitches in them and it worked greater me. Just my two cents, hope all works out well for ya
I havent had any issues. I think its harder on them when you mix the downer in. Rememer the faster you can get them back up the better, and it takes a lot longer when you mix the telazol in.
Not to sound harsh, but why would you give a vaccine to animal that has an infection. Fusogard does not fix the problem. Vaccines are to be used as preventive measures. Get the problem fixed first then vaccinate.
Also your vet would be the ideal person to contact for drug dosages.
Also your vet would be the ideal person to contact for drug dosages.
My Vet knows less than these guys on here. I agree regarding the vaccine issue.
Many deer owners on here have said to give Fusogard when dealing with the issue but it doesn't make much sense to me. If the fawn is already fighting necro bacteria and you give it the live vaccine, then your suppressing it's immune system even more. I get it. I'll just give it a long lasting antibiotic and call it good. Thanks for your input, I appreciate it all!!!!!You guys are life savers
Many deer owners on here have said to give Fusogard when dealing with the issue but it doesn't make much sense to me. If the fawn is already fighting necro bacteria and you give it the live vaccine, then your suppressing it's immune system even more. I get it. I'll just give it a long lasting antibiotic and call it good. Thanks for your input, I appreciate it all!!!!!You guys are life savers
Concerning vets...I have 2 in my area that I have been in contact with over the last 16 years...and these 2 DON"T KNOW SQUAT, especially when it come to the sedation of deer...absolutely don't know SQUAT!!!
Deer died because I've trusted these vets, and it was only by the grace of God that I didn't lose more.
Find a vet that has his own deer and/or has been and is involved in the deer industry, complete with ''experience''(key word)...and now you got something!
But...until I find one of these guys, I personally will trust in the advice of the person that has gained 'their' knowledge through 'their' experiences of being 'IN THE PEN' treating 'their' deer successfully.
Hope that fawn does well for you Deer Dee!
Deer died because I've trusted these vets, and it was only by the grace of God that I didn't lose more.
Find a vet that has his own deer and/or has been and is involved in the deer industry, complete with ''experience''(key word)...and now you got something!
But...until I find one of these guys, I personally will trust in the advice of the person that has gained 'their' knowledge through 'their' experiences of being 'IN THE PEN' treating 'their' deer successfully.
Hope that fawn does well for you Deer Dee!
Mark,
You are spot on in your assessment of vets. But having a vet that doesn't know anything about deer is not really having a vet now is it. Of course you would need someone with experience, that was more or less my point. Good Luck.
You are spot on in your assessment of vets. But having a vet that doesn't know anything about deer is not really having a vet now is it. Of course you would need someone with experience, that was more or less my point. Good Luck.
Josh,
Actually, as a matter of fact, a vet is a 'vet', regardless of whether they know deer or not.
Another fact is, most vets don't know deer, so the chances of a vet being nearby that knows deer is not real good.
I thought it necessary and important to clarify why one shouldn't necessarily just go to a/their vet.
Your statement was ''Also your vet would be the ideal person to contact for your drug dosages.''
Someone reading that, and many do here, could assume a that a ''vet'' is the ''ideal'' way to go, and that simply is not true when that statement stands by itself.
I was just hoping to keep someone from making the mistake I made of trusting a ''vet'' per se.
I personally welcome and prefer the ''experienced'' advice I receive on these forums, and I could care less if they never went to vet school...or college of any kind for that matter.
I not saying you were trying to mis-lead Josh. I was just adding some info to help further direct someone to success instead of mistake...same thing I've seen you do on here Josh...add something to help people.
Peace Josh!
Actually, as a matter of fact, a vet is a 'vet', regardless of whether they know deer or not.
Another fact is, most vets don't know deer, so the chances of a vet being nearby that knows deer is not real good.
I thought it necessary and important to clarify why one shouldn't necessarily just go to a/their vet.
Your statement was ''Also your vet would be the ideal person to contact for your drug dosages.''
Someone reading that, and many do here, could assume a that a ''vet'' is the ''ideal'' way to go, and that simply is not true when that statement stands by itself.
I was just hoping to keep someone from making the mistake I made of trusting a ''vet'' per se.
I personally welcome and prefer the ''experienced'' advice I receive on these forums, and I could care less if they never went to vet school...or college of any kind for that matter.
I not saying you were trying to mis-lead Josh. I was just adding some info to help further direct someone to success instead of mistake...same thing I've seen you do on here Josh...add something to help people.
Peace Josh!
Mark,
You don't have a Deer-knowledgeable vet?
Are you kidding me?
Dr. Shipley at the UofI is your man, and he has a deer farm too.
Also Dr. Derek MacFarland, DVM is another experienced Deer vet.
I know at least another one in my area.
Derek is nearer to you though.
I think Dr. Joe Ables DVM is another good deer man and he is available for consultation, highly experienced.
I know if I had a herd, I'd have an EHD emergency plan and without a vet, it's almost impossible to execute. Where else would you be able to get sedation drugs for example? I'm just sayin'...
DVM school is no walk in the park...
You don't have a Deer-knowledgeable vet?
Are you kidding me?
Dr. Shipley at the UofI is your man, and he has a deer farm too.
Also Dr. Derek MacFarland, DVM is another experienced Deer vet.
I know at least another one in my area.
Derek is nearer to you though.
I think Dr. Joe Ables DVM is another good deer man and he is available for consultation, highly experienced.
I know if I had a herd, I'd have an EHD emergency plan and without a vet, it's almost impossible to execute. Where else would you be able to get sedation drugs for example? I'm just sayin'...
DVM school is no walk in the park...
Lana,
Yes I have a ''deer-knowledgeable vet''.....and a whole host of ''deer-knowledgeable'' deer farming friends on here that I commonly go to when I have a question about, or maybe just looking for confirmation about, and/or to make sure I'm not leaving anything out about...the medical treatment of whitetail deer.
I went back over my comments to try to see where you derived that I didn't have a vet..., and I think I see it. Where I stated ''until I find one of these guys'' is where I could have replaced the ''I'' with a 'you' or 'we',.....but I was speaking metaphorically.
Thanks Lana for your direction here, and I have personally spoken with 2 of the 3 vets you have referred me too...one of which's cell phone number is in my phone.
Please understand I am not dissing(sp) on vets necessarily...only the total dependency on them. What I've been trying to point out here is how valuable the information we get on here from the experienced deer farmers that have ''been there and done that''.
Let me put a bit of disclaimer out here before I share the following: ''I know that no one is perfect and we all make mistakes.''
Ok - As much regard as I have for my ''Deer-knowledgeable vet'', I have seen him be wrong when someone else was right. And you know who that someone else was?...he was an experienced deer farmer, and I have his cell phone number in my phone as well, and he is who I typically call FIRST when I have a question. I'm just sayin...
The Bible says ''A wise man seeks wise counsel''.
The wisest thing for all of us to do if time allows and we have the opportunity, is to exhaust ALL possibilities of ''wise counsel'' when searching for answers/remedies for treating our deer. Check with our ''Deer knowledgeable vet(s)''(I've seen 2 have different ideas from 2 different vets concerning the same medical issue), check with the forum here, call who's in your phone, check with the guy down the road, check with whomever, wherever and however you can, and if you come up with some common denominators, then you should feel pretty safe to move forward with those. I thinks it's always a good idea to ask questions, even when you 'think' you know the answer. Your apt to get a surprise once in awhile!
Hope your Rosa girl is fat and sassy Lana!
Yes I have a ''deer-knowledgeable vet''.....and a whole host of ''deer-knowledgeable'' deer farming friends on here that I commonly go to when I have a question about, or maybe just looking for confirmation about, and/or to make sure I'm not leaving anything out about...the medical treatment of whitetail deer.
I went back over my comments to try to see where you derived that I didn't have a vet..., and I think I see it. Where I stated ''until I find one of these guys'' is where I could have replaced the ''I'' with a 'you' or 'we',.....but I was speaking metaphorically.
Thanks Lana for your direction here, and I have personally spoken with 2 of the 3 vets you have referred me too...one of which's cell phone number is in my phone.
Please understand I am not dissing(sp) on vets necessarily...only the total dependency on them. What I've been trying to point out here is how valuable the information we get on here from the experienced deer farmers that have ''been there and done that''.
Let me put a bit of disclaimer out here before I share the following: ''I know that no one is perfect and we all make mistakes.''
Ok - As much regard as I have for my ''Deer-knowledgeable vet'', I have seen him be wrong when someone else was right. And you know who that someone else was?...he was an experienced deer farmer, and I have his cell phone number in my phone as well, and he is who I typically call FIRST when I have a question. I'm just sayin...
The Bible says ''A wise man seeks wise counsel''.
The wisest thing for all of us to do if time allows and we have the opportunity, is to exhaust ALL possibilities of ''wise counsel'' when searching for answers/remedies for treating our deer. Check with our ''Deer knowledgeable vet(s)''(I've seen 2 have different ideas from 2 different vets concerning the same medical issue), check with the forum here, call who's in your phone, check with the guy down the road, check with whomever, wherever and however you can, and if you come up with some common denominators, then you should feel pretty safe to move forward with those. I thinks it's always a good idea to ask questions, even when you 'think' you know the answer. Your apt to get a surprise once in awhile!
Hope your Rosa girl is fat and sassy Lana!
I live in Northern Michigan where I haven't been able to locate any "deer knowledgeable" vets. Mark....thank you for understanding. I have a large animal vet that I refer to for dosaging and wound care. But other than that, you guys are my best bet. The vets around here commonly sedated this herd with just Xylazine and the effects were costly. Many deer were lost due to capture myopathy and self inflicted injury during capture. All of this was seen as a normal means to an end when handling wildlife. Not the case. Not one of them....after ALL their years in college, decided it best to go back and research better sedation methods. That to me is unreal. I've only spent 3 years in college and would have the common sense to find a better method if the one I was using wasn't working. The guys on this forum have been invaluable to the success of this small herd I care for! There's a whitetail vet up north whose extremely knowledgeable. I met him during a tour of a breeding facility and had some questions for him. He came off as annoyed and arrogant. Not appreciated! Apparently if your not tied into his "Good Ole Buddy" secret handshake society, he's too busy to care. So, I've made multiple phone calls to all of the best whitetail vets, wildlife biologists and deer farmers in the country and had great success with people sharing their wealth of knowledge. Only wish I had that here. I worked with exotics before I took on this job. I could've called in the best vet students from around the country to help me work with the monkeys and they would've never been taught what signs to look for when a monkey is getting too excited and might become aggressive. That's the type of thing you can't teach in a book.....you have to be there, see it, experience it.....that's what these deer farmers have brought to the rest of us!!!! .......thanks again for all the responses
I would NEVER sedate a full grown deer with straight xylazine. Youre just asking for trouble. Fawns are small though. They go down much easier