They are totally unrelated in every way. She throws nice 2 year Olds. But she threw a really nice buck that is a yearling this year and thought maybe that putting him on her would grow a little bigger 2 year old. The yearling damaged his one side early, but the side that grew, had 2 drops, split g-2 and nice long main beam and points... that one side scored 68 inches with no spread and no other side to measure