Joined May 2009
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Fulton, Michigan
I am willing to bet there is a room full of DNR employees in Indiana right now asking these questions and making these comments
Wow, all those preserves we shut down we didn’t have the authority to do that
Wow, we sent a man to prison and didn’t have the authority
Wonder how much we are going to get sued for
Wonder if we are going to have a job when all this is over
Wonder if EVERYONE is laughing at us right now
Wow, all those preserves we shut down we didn’t have the authority to do that
Wow, we sent a man to prison and didn’t have the authority
Wonder how much we are going to get sued for
Wonder if we are going to have a job when all this is over
Wonder if EVERYONE is laughing at us right now
In reality, I really doubt the all mighty "experts" will ever get it. I'm sure they won't fire anyone because they would have to fire themselves all the way to the top and we know that won't happen unless it comes from the governor himself, which it SHOULD.
It sure vindicates a lot of us who have fought this for over 10 yrs. Now they only have one option, Legislation. Whats funny is the anti groups, the DNR and the Senators against us all testified before the legislators in the past couple years regarding our bill and said, DO NOT pass legislation, just let the courts rule and we will live with the outcome. You recon any of them have enough ethics to honor those comments, I know not. This is a prime example of where they just got too greedy. They are likely to get a bill banning us passed in the Senate but the House has always been solid in our favor. Time will tell but at least we will have 6 or 8 new ones start up this fall. Big thnks to Farm Bureau for being there since the beginning, we certainly would have had to drop the lawsuit without their support. And NADEFA and IDEFA have really come on strong the last two years and helped fight for this industry.
Joined Apr 2014
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Greensburg, IN
The Indiana Supreme Court choosing not to grant certiorari is a major victory and is in congruence with constitutional property rights. I deeply admire my dad, Jerry Lynn Bell, for standing up for what is right and for being unwilling to accept a few poisoned breadcrumbs in the form of the gutted and unconstitutional House Bill 1453. He went alone to the statehouse and fought hard against it, after the bill was quietly decimated "under the table" and at the last minute. People, who don't fully understand the legislative process, criticized and judged him after the bill then failed to pass. However, if House Bill 1453 HAD passed, this affirmation by the Supreme Court would have been meaningless to all but four preserves in Indiana. Thank God it didn't!
Joined Feb 2013
780 Posts | 1+
Markleville IN
"People, who don't fully understand the legislative process, criticized and judged him after the bill then failed to pass. "
Jonathan, you are being nice, call a spade a spade. There were those trying to monopolize and almost got it done. Your dad stood up for what was right while others were throwing him under the bus. You had a preserve opened when they were closed and abided by the DNR's decision but yet were not included in a bill.
Jonathan, you are being nice, call a spade a spade. There were those trying to monopolize and almost got it done. Your dad stood up for what was right while others were throwing him under the bus. You had a preserve opened when they were closed and abided by the DNR's decision but yet were not included in a bill.
The only preserves who have not hunted since the beginiing are the people who did not want to contribute money to attorneys and help pay for this fight. Sometimes people just go along for the free ride and sometimes they get lucky. We are not sure how this will end up but I would suggest the ones that have been on the sidelines actually step up and help the Preserve owners, Farm Bureau, IDEFA and NADEFA who have made this possible and will give us a fighting chance in legislation.
We all know there are ones that only wanted 4 preserves to be allowed to be open if the bill would of passed so they could control the industry. Thank God it backfired on them & Jerry Bell did what he thought was right for ALL deer farmers not just a select few. It's sad you can't trust your own association to benefit all of the farmers & not the ones they just want to include.
Joined Apr 2014
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Greensburg, IN
Joined May 2009
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Fulton, Michigan
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The only preserves who have not hunted since the beginiing are the people who did not want to contribute money to attorneys and help pay for this fight. Sometimes people just go along for the free ride and sometimes they get lucky. We are not sure how this will end up but I would suggest the ones that have been on the sidelines actually step up and help the Preserve owners, Farm Bureau, IDEFA and NADEFA who have made this possible and will give us a fighting chance in legislation.
Are you sure this statement is accurate? I can name at least one preserve that has not hunted and has contributed tens of thousands to the fight.
The only preserves who have not hunted since the beginiing are the people who did not want to contribute money to attorneys and help pay for this fight. Sometimes people just go along for the free ride and sometimes they get lucky. We are not sure how this will end up but I would suggest the ones that have been on the sidelines actually step up and help the Preserve owners, Farm Bureau, IDEFA and NADEFA who have made this possible and will give us a fighting chance in legislation.
Are you sure this statement is accurate? I can name at least one preserve that has not hunted and has contributed tens of thousands to the fight.
Todd, Yes I am sure. When I won the first court case which was an injuction against the DNR I immediately went back into the court and requested that all preveserve be added to the injunction. Some got added that had never even had a hunt. The person you are referring to was added but removed by the Court and DNR for reasons you are aware of. We filed this case for ALL to win even those who sat back and allowed us to do all the work. This is far from over but we have solid ground to work from now in the legislature. With this win it will assure us to survive in some compacity but certainly we will not go unregulated either.
Joined Apr 2014
1,245 Posts | 0+
Greensburg, IN
Joined Apr 2014
1,245 Posts | 0+
Greensburg, IN
If you can't access the link to the video - here is a transcript of Democrat Senator Karen Tallian's reasons for voting FOR the decimated and gutted HB1453- even though she is "strongly opposed to canned hunting." She explains quite well how the passage of HB1453 would have ended any chances for anyone except "the four" to have a hunting preserve in Indiana.
I want to take this opportunity to explain my vote. I'm looking at this survey and realize that yes, I am in the category of the 86% of women and 89% of Democrats who strongly oppose canned hunting. And for that reason, I'm going to vote for this bill. Yeah. For that reason, because I oppose these (waves copy of HB1453), I am going to vote for this bill and I will explain that. First of all, I think that because of the court cases that we've had involving the four current hunts- I think it would be EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR US TO BAN THEIR EXISTENCE. We would be sued for an UNCONSTITUTIONAL TAKING OF PROPERTY. They have a business interest and we would be taking them right out of existence. SO I DONT BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BAN THESE FOUR. ****HOWEVER, THIS IS THE CLOSEST THING THAT WE'VE EVER HAD YET TO A BAN ON THE REST!**** And for that reason I am going to vote for this, because WE ARE LIMITING THIS, WE ARE NOT GETTING ANY MORE OF THESE. THIS IS THE CLOSEST THAT WE'VE EVER GOTTEN TO REGULATING THESE THINGS OUT and we are also establishing rules for the four that we've got. I HATE THIS (waves copy of HB ) AND I'M VOTING FOR THIS BILL.
I want to take this opportunity to explain my vote. I'm looking at this survey and realize that yes, I am in the category of the 86% of women and 89% of Democrats who strongly oppose canned hunting. And for that reason, I'm going to vote for this bill. Yeah. For that reason, because I oppose these (waves copy of HB1453), I am going to vote for this bill and I will explain that. First of all, I think that because of the court cases that we've had involving the four current hunts- I think it would be EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR US TO BAN THEIR EXISTENCE. We would be sued for an UNCONSTITUTIONAL TAKING OF PROPERTY. They have a business interest and we would be taking them right out of existence. SO I DONT BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BAN THESE FOUR. ****HOWEVER, THIS IS THE CLOSEST THING THAT WE'VE EVER HAD YET TO A BAN ON THE REST!**** And for that reason I am going to vote for this, because WE ARE LIMITING THIS, WE ARE NOT GETTING ANY MORE OF THESE. THIS IS THE CLOSEST THAT WE'VE EVER GOTTEN TO REGULATING THESE THINGS OUT and we are also establishing rules for the four that we've got. I HATE THIS (waves copy of HB ) AND I'M VOTING FOR THIS BILL.
Why not just go for all from the beginning? Why the greedy last hour BS? Did you really think some were that stupid? Thank God a man with integrity stood for us all. Not just HIMSELF!
Joined Apr 2014
1,245 Posts | 0+
Greensburg, IN
The DNR in Indiana has taken the position they want nothing to do with the captive deer industry or any type of regulatory authority over preserves.
IMO.
The DNR manages wildlife. Wild by definition is uncontrolled. These are our privately owned animals. We pay for their upkeep and manage our herds inside the high fenced boundaries on our private property. We are under the regulations of our BOAH as are any other privately owned animals. Deer farmers in Indiana should be doing everything to support Mike Pence. In addition we need to keep electing republicans to our state legislature. Industry and small business friendly republicans head both the house and senate natural resource committees in Indiana. In the future we must remain vigilant. Attempts will likely be made by the sky is falling and sun setter coalition to pass legislation. We are in a great position as a long as republicans continue to hold a majority. We are now one of the most deer ranch friendly states. Let's keep it that way!
Jonathan
IMO.
The DNR manages wildlife. Wild by definition is uncontrolled. These are our privately owned animals. We pay for their upkeep and manage our herds inside the high fenced boundaries on our private property. We are under the regulations of our BOAH as are any other privately owned animals. Deer farmers in Indiana should be doing everything to support Mike Pence. In addition we need to keep electing republicans to our state legislature. Industry and small business friendly republicans head both the house and senate natural resource committees in Indiana. In the future we must remain vigilant. Attempts will likely be made by the sky is falling and sun setter coalition to pass legislation. We are in a great position as a long as republicans continue to hold a majority. We are now one of the most deer ranch friendly states. Let's keep it that way!
Jonathan
Joined Feb 2013
780 Posts | 1+
Markleville IN
According to the decision by the judge they have no jurisdiction over farmed deer. Will be interesting to see if they send us renewal forms
