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wens55

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has anyone had a problem with deer being "drugged" up if given too much medicine



i treated a doe yesterday for mites and was instructed by a vet to give her 5cc dex and 4cc of ivomec (plus some pour on)...today, she's a little wobbly



any ideas?
 
I don't know if this would be your problem, but I never would have given a doe more than 2cc of ivomec. The recommended dose is 1cc per 110 lbs of deer. Like I said, I don't know. Many of those meds are tested on animals with much higher doses than what is theraputic and don't have significant negative results. That being said, I always try to stick pretty close to recommended cause I figure the drug company has got ya using a pretty high dose anyway for the reason of - the more you use, the more they sell. Did you knock her down to do this?
 
yea i normally don't give that much either but thats what the vet said so we did it



i'm thinking its a reaction to the ivomec or dex but not sure because its never happened to me before 1) becasue i don't like using dex and 2) because those are much higher doses than i would have given



we didn't knock her down...tame do and i just ran her into the chute and crawled in with her and gave it to her



just didn't know so i wanted some input



thanks
 
I'm with Scott.....Guess I have never had a problem that the combination of those two drugs would have helped! And I'm sure from my own farm use with Ivormec I have given a lot more to my does and bucks with no problems! hope she gets better
 
I am better off asking here on this site what to treat with and how much rather than ask my local vet., every time I talk to them and tell them I am wanting something to take care of a deer they just look at me like I am stupid. The more that I ask them the more that I realize my local vet know's nothing about anything but a dog or cat. Most advice that I get there is bad advice so I have just quit asking him.
 
Keith - RLA has brought out a good point. Rather than asking a normal cat, dog, horse, cow or pig vet, one is better off to ask on this forum, hands down. I think we have all learned that lesson. I know I have, and it cost me some really good deer to learn. One can appreciate a vet that will say ''I don't know''. It's the ones that wing it at our expense that are frustrating. Well, I'm certainly not a vet, ''of either kind'' :) but I would guess and hope that your doe just needs some time for that stuff to work out of her system. Good luck with her!
 
I have used those drugs before but it was to treat mange in dogs. Sounds like you need a new vet. There are several good deer vets in Texas but the closest one to you is probably in Seguin. If you want I can get you his info.
 
I have been told that Ivermectin is more than adequate to treat mange (or mites). The DVM advised me to administer 1 mcg SQ by the fawn's neck. Could I have just poured it onto her, or into her food? please advise.
 
thanks for the input



it makes sense but i was out of ideas and he gave that treatment and went for it



sounded bad but since i had nothing else i went with it



we're thinking today that she might have an ear infection from mites which is causing the lack of balance
 
Hi Lana. The recommended dose for ivomec is 1cc per 110 lbs. And yes you can give it orally. It doesn't have a flavor favorable to the deer so you are going to have to mask it some how. I apply it to crunched up crackers, add water to gain the texter that will spread on bread, then feed the bread. But if she is not used to crackers or bread, she's apt not to eat it.
 
we dont use ivomec much any more in deer due to resistance.. For fawns- safeguard is "safe", but not to many parasite problems in fawns minus coccidia starting at 2 weeks of age.. I like dectomax or topical cydectin, but dont use topical cydectin orally.. the pour on product is oil based and prevents absorption in the gut.. their is a cydectin drench that works well. in my deer, we double the cattle dose.. toxic dose is 5 -10X cattle dose.. Dex was likely recommended for protection for possible ivomec overdose if someone was not used to dosing it.. Good luck and God bless
 
As with all wormers it is best to rotate the use thru out the year to avoid developing a resistance. I would reccomend the drench method be used sparingly to say the least! I have 3 2009 doe fawns who still show a white swatch of hair down thier backs caused by the drench and it caused thier hide to burn and skin and hair eventually fell off and caused a nasty sore we had to reat all summer. Just my experience with the drench method......user beware. Ivormec+ can be administered to the feed by appling it to the feed and allowing the amonia smell to evaporate in the sun. We all seem to differ on the amount to use when it comes to wormers. But we always give a dose of Ivormec+ anytime we have our hands on our animals. So what do amount do you all use ?
 
cydetin and dectomax at double cattle dose, i like dectomax when darting because it is labeled for IM use. On the pour-ons, use the pour-on and not drench, we use pour ons at double the cattle dose as well and start from the tail and work towards the heads getting it directly on the skin, the hair will help protect it from the sun, if alot gets on the hair, it can cause scalding, but we have not experienced it..
 
drjoe, how much wormer would you recommend to use on an adult buck or doe and a 6month old fawn ? Not per label but actual cc per each animal in ?
 
wayne-

obviously our deer are smaller here in texas :) But, i recommned 2 cc per 100 lbs inmuscle of dectomax.. if using ivomec- you might as well pour it on the ground.. Can u get your hands on them or do you have to dart???
 
if in the chute, I love Cydectin pour-on double cattle dose(sorry- i have to see bottle before giving cc per deer). Ivomec plus has its promises in areas that have problems with liver flukes.. Also, you can rotate with dectomax at 2 cc per 100 lbs im since you can get your hands on them.. Ivomec has just been used wrong too long here especially applied to food and water and parsasites have built up a great resistance.. Good Luck bro.. God bless!!!
 
Not to be argumentative, but I use ivomec plus and in the last 3 years of having approximately 15 maybe 18 fecal exams, none have come back positive. And I've had deer in some of these pens for 15 years and have had problems with worms before, but I don't now. All I'm saying is ivomec+ works for me here in Illinois.
 
Mark,

My doe has never had a positive fecal-- and I never wormed her either (until recently)...



Fecal tests, I have read, are not 100% accurate. Btw/ we don't have probs with liver flukes in IL. As far as I've been able to learn, the flukes are more prevalent in the south. This is what I've found out via research. Interesting to know what the Texans do... I'm wondering what the Australian farmers are using too... Sharkey was very knowledgeable on the subject- haven't seen him on the forums lately.
 

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