Top dressing from pathfinder

Here are some more pictures of Dillon. I'd say he's recovered quite nicely!!

I would say so... Man i hope those things dont start pushing against each other and split his skull again. Mass i guess so. Glad he got turned back around and healthy again.

Larry

Congratulations on Dillon. He is starting off Fantastic, with mass like that it will sure be interesting to see how he finishes out. By the way Bulletproof seems to be the answer to poisen oak. My family and I have had it regularly for the past 11 years. We have been in the woods more this spring than ever and no poisen oak. Our back yard is covered with it, and we usually have some of it on us from spring till fall. My whole family has been in it several times so far and none of us have had any sign of it.

Thanks again Larry for a wonderful product.

I have been doing some research on side effects of herbs and some of them contain some very serious side effects. Now of course there are some of you that are trying these herbal supplements but we don’t know the long term effects. It just seems to me that we are taking a pretty big risk using some of these products considering the investments we have made. Here are a few examples of actual documented cases and one of many of the web sites that carry warnings. I would highly recommend doing your own research. Here is one of many web sites I found.

http://www.personalhealthzone.com/herbsafety.html

Oregon grape contains berberine and side effects can result from high dosages including gastrointestinal discomfort, dyspnea, lowered blood pressure, flu-like symptoms, and cardiac damage. Berberine usage should be avoided in pregnancy, due to potential for causing uterine contractions and miscarriage, and in jaundiced neonates because of its bilirubin displacement properties.



Devil's Claw has been associated with documented reports of potential interactions with warfarin. Avoid during pregnancy. Mild gastrointestinal distress at higher dosages.

- Newall CA, Anderson LA, Phillipson JD. Herbal Medicines: A guide for Health-care Professionals.London: The Pharmaceutical Press, 1996:296.26.



Goldenseal is a potent plant and must be used with care. Do not take on a daily basis for more than a week at a time. In high doses, goldenseal can irritate the skin, mouth, throat, and vagina. It may cause nausea and diarrhea. If any of these develop, stop taking immediately.

- Murray, M. -- The Pill Book Guide to Natural Medicines: Vitamins, Minerals, Nutritional Supplements, Herbs, and Other Natural Products. -- Bantam, 2002. 541, 681. Do not use during pregnancy; it may stimulate the uterus. Do not use goldenseal without consulting a physician if you have had heart disease, diabetes, glaucoma, a stroke, or high blood pressure. It stimulates the heart muscle, and the result is increased blood pressure. Do not give goldenseal to children under two. Start with small doses for older children and adults.

- Murray, M. -- The Pill Book Guide to Natural Medicines: Vitamins, Minerals, Nutritional Supplements, Herbs, and Other Natural Products. -- Bantam, 2002. 541, 681.



Echinacea purpurea might influence fetal development in humans also, because they may interfere with embrional angiogenesis, and should not be recommended for pregnant women.

- Folia Histochem Cytobiol. 2007;45 Suppl 1:S35-9.



Yellow dock may include excessive urination, nausea, diarrhea, or vomiting, skin eruptions, kidney damage (blood in urine, decreased urine flow, swelling of hands and feet). Excessive use of yellow dock may lead to laxative-like side effects such as stomach cramping and diarrhea. Yellow dock also contains oxalic acid, an acidic phytochemical. Oxalic acid reportedly can interfere with normal calcium levels in the blood, leading to complications with blood coagulation. Yellow dock has caused dermatitis in livestock that have eaten it. There have been several cases of animal deaths from oxalate poisoning. - Panciera RJ; Martin T; Burrows GE; Taylor DS; Rice LE. Acute oxalate poisoning attributable to ingestion of curly dock (Rumex crispus) in sheep. J Am Vet Med Assoc. 1990. 196(12):1981.

Cat's claw (Uncaria tomentosa and Uncaria guianesis) is a medicinal plant from the Amazon commonly used to treat disorders such as arthritis, gastritis and osteoarthritis. The mechanism of cat's claw appears to be as an inhibitor of TNFalpha and antioxidant. Understanding the processes in osteoarthritis may facilitate and clarify the potential role of cat's claw as a complementary therapy to assist in the reduction of pro-inflammatory mediators and effectors. Use caution if you are using anti-inflammatory medications.

- Complement Ther Clin Pract. 2007 Feb;13(1):25-8. Epub 2006 Dec 13. -- Cat's claw: an Amazonian vine decreases inflammation in osteoarthritis. -- Hardin SR.

Not recommended for children, women who are pregnant, breastfeeding or are trying to become pregnant.

- Murray, M. -- The Pill Book Guide to Natural Medicines: Vitamins, Minerals, Nutritional Supplements, Herbs, and Other Natural Products. -- Bantam, 2002. 586.



Barberry (Berberis vulgaris) Side-effects can result from high dosages and may include gastrointestinal discomfort, dyspnea, lowered blood pressure, flu-like symptoms, and cardiac damage. Berberine usage should be avoided in pregnancy, due to potential for causing uterine contractions and miscarriage, and in jaundiced neonates because of its bilirubin displacement properties.

- Birdsall TC, Kelly GS. -- Berberine: Therapeutic potential of an alkaloid found in several medicinal plants. -- Altern Med Rev 1997;2:94-103.



Indian gooseberry seems safe for most people when consumed in amounts found in foods. There isn’t enough information to know if it is safe for in medicinal amounts, which are larger.

Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Not enough is known about the use of Indian gooseberry during pregnancy and breast-feeding. Stay on the safe side and avoid use.

Smart word's as far as people using anything without knowing what it is,what it does and what it can do. But did you do any research what these products can do to keep our deer healthy?? After all thats what this is all about! Remember reguardless of what it is. Larry's product, A&E Products, Shock Effect Product's The health should be first and anything else is a just a plus!!!

So you posted a list of Herbs you did some research on? What's your point in relation to your research and Larry's product? What levels should we be concerened with? Have they been shown to harm deer and thier health? Are all the products listed included in Larry's product?

deerut............Don't leave us hangin............ tell us more!

Eeeeaaaaasssyyyyyy Wayne, bottle feeding during the night gotcha cranky?

Jason, Nope .................Cool as the other side of the pillow! LOL My wife starts all the fawns on the bottle so lifes good here...............Till she tells me to get in and help!LMAO



They say your supposed to learn something every day..............Just tryin to get my daily learnin!

Wayne all these items came straight off an earlier post as ingredients listed to be in bulletproof. I was looking into whether or not I wanted to try this stuff which is what I do with everything before feeding it to my deer. I don’t believe it matters how healthy a product is if it carries bad side effects. That’s just my opinion. All I listed were actual facts that have been documented by health professionals. As far as what are too high of levels I have no clue. That’s the question and the liability risk for the manufacturer. The makers of this product are the ones that should know this and are liable for it. As far as whether or not these herbs are safe for whitetail who knows but this is what it said for the herb Yellow Dock. “Yellow dock has caused dermatitis in livestock that have eaten it. There have been several cases of animal deaths from oxalate poisoning”. If you’re going to make miracle curing claims like curing EHD or show pictures of bucks that have one pedicle, that is really no more than a natural phenomenon you are going to bring up the curiosity and skepticism from others. Isn’t this forum for trying to help each other? I don’t post on here. I try to learn from the information posted on this forum but when you come across what you feel is pretty important information and try to let others know you get bashed. I'm not bashing this product I just want clarification from an actual nutritionist who is backing this product about these side effects. That only seems fair. After my first experience posting this will probably be my last.

the plants that you listed with the exception of one are not in this product! I had posted the ingredient label on the forum, but i think what you were looking at was a list of plants i listed that had to do with blood not whats in this product. There is echinacea root in this, but there are 3 different species of this plant. they make a vaccine for sheep from this plant to boost the immune system. here are some sites you may want to look at.

www.biology-online.org/articles/...medicines...ruminants...results.ht

www.agri-dynamics.com/livestock.html

ethnoveterinary medicines used in ruminants in british columbia

also I don't believe i said this was a cure all.

Deerrut, I certainly didn't intend for you to feel you were bashed. I did and still do find it odd that if you had questions about the ingredients of ANYONE'S product that it would be best to call,pm,e-mail or contact THEM first hand with your perticular question or concern! I just felt like the folks with C&E.....Shock Effect........Revive products have all been hit with the same kind of critisim about claims or ingredients of their products on here and now Bullet Proof..........Larry's product.

I believe ALL of them make a very good product and INDIVIDUAL results vary from farm to farm.

I also understand that ALL of these folks have marketed thier products and since being self employed 25+ yrs realize what it takes to start and run a business. They ALL are putting thier butts on the line when they market thier dreams into reality!

It just seemed to me and maybe only to me that with your FIRST post it was getting the pot rolling on another bashing of someones product!



Also felt if you or anyone else has questions good or bad about someone or something and you are willing to ask about it on a PUBLIC forum, You are welcome to do so............But I for one would like to see you and others atleast post your name.



Sorry you feel this might be your last post! I hope it won't be but that your choice!



If you want to clear the air or would like to talk to someone first hand that is using Larry's Product.......Bullet Proof Please feel free to give me a call 660-646-9099 I will stand be hind any post I make and hope others feel the same!



Best of Luck to you

I took my first pinch today! Larry has me testing the stuff here in La. My deer have been on it since late winter. If everyone has not heard yet EHD is here! There has been farms in southern La and Tx that are getting their rear handed to them already. Some reports of upwards of 40 losses from a single farm. And get this, its got that famous mister system

going too!!! Dont know what company or chemical. DONT CARE!!! Tried vaccine three years In a row, WORTHLESS!!! I was looking for a solution and i hope i found it with larry's product . I am also using one more addition that should help. We will see! -Jason

deerrut- all this was a misunderstanding about a list of plants i posted that helps the blood and and what you researched is the reson they are not in this product. i should have been more clear when i posted that! and you had every right to question that! before i ever left anyone use this product it was tested on my deer for over 4 yrs and i saw that farms around me were lossing deer and i wasn't that's the reason i was looking for farms to test on just to see if they would have the same results. i put myself out there for everyone to see pass or fail that's how much faith i have in this. i don't mail flier or have a booth at shows, ads in books or even a banner on deer sites,

heck i don't even have a website because in my eye i'm still testing. so don't stop posting, information on things is what everyone of us needs. but do me a favor don't make fun of my one horn deer, i'm just happy he's still around after that ordeal. make fun of my wife that's ok but never my dogs or deer.

thanks larry

deerrut - I've read your post(s) and I for one did not view it as a bash of any kind, but only as you intended...to inform and educate us. In fact, from the onset of your post, you immediately encouraged us all to do our own research ''I would highly recommend doing your own research'', is what you said, and then gave us all a web site!

The information you posted WAS important, but unfortunately, according to the gracious admission by pathfinder ''all this was a misunderstanding about a list if plants'' and then came forth with ''I should have been more clear''.

Deerrut you posted information to inform, educate, and to warn us, for the betterment of you??...nope....US!!! It all ended up, according to pathfinder(obviously a stand up guy), as being a misunderstanding. So I say...no harm...no foul!

And I also want to encourage you deerrut to not refrain from posting. You care... otherwise you wouldn't have posted, and this forum, and the world, needs people who care. Be Blessed!

deerrut,



The pictures of the buck with the "single pedicle" were just to show how quickly the healing process was with the severe injury the buck originally had. Nothing was meant to be assumed with these pictures...only to show the growth. I also like having all of the facts. It's an interesting post you made. Hopefully you'll continue to post on the forums. We also use Larry's product here on our farm. So far, we've been impressed. The health of our herd is very good and hopefully will continue. We've also noticed that some of our more "wild" doe have seemed to calm down quite a bit over the past few months. Over all, we don't really have any real wild or crazy deer. Our herd is extremely calm, but there were three or so that were just not as calm or tame as the others. They now have seemed to calmed almost to the levels of the others...although they don't let us pet them just yet.

Does anyone know how to get in touch with the Bulletproof dealer in the south? Thanks for any help or info.



Jason

The dealer in Louisiana is Chris Patton

Im interested in trying Bulletproof.

Are there any dealers in Oklahoma?

I am the Bullet Proof dealer for Louisiana, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and Florida.

Chris Patton

[email protected]

318-265-2955



Thanks

Thanks Chris,

I will be in touch.

Daren Lewis

Lawrence Creek Whitetails