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Urgent help needed!!!

Joined May 2009
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Tuscaloosa, Alabama
A friend of mine is having a major problem..one by one his deer are becoming paralyzed in the back end..One has died and two more are down..They are all big and healthy and they go down suddenly with no signs prior..Fully alert and look like there is nothing at all wrong until they try to stand up..then you can see their back end down...any help would be appreciated ..
 
Has anyone ever heard or experienced E.P.M? Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis is carried by opossum's and they get it from eating rotten meat. They are the primary host. The end host is any Equine that ingest a little feces while grazing. I just lost my 13 year old guard mule "Spencer" to this parasite. It is a neorological condition that paralysis in the rear as explained by Richard. I wonder if this effects deer?
 
Don't know if my deer had the same thing, but it's close enough to talk about it.

I went to the pen one day and a 4 yr old let me get way to close without getting up. So, I of course pressed the issue to see what was up. His reaction was this: He strained heavily to get up, made it as far as just getting his front end up, then sunk back down. I got closer. His next attempt got him to all fours. He walked extremely labored and wobbly for about 7 or 8 yards before he went down, back end first.

Well, I thought he tweeked his back somehow, or one of the other bucks in the pen tweeked it for him. That was in the evening just before dark. Went down next morning to treat him and he was dead.

A week later in another pen, I noticed a buck didn't come to feed. Went lookin for him and when I found him and approached him, he struggled a bit to his feet, stood kinda shakin, and was havin trouble with his balance. After 30 seconds or so he straightened right up and out of it, walked over to the water and started drinking with the rest of the deer. Tweeked my own back the next day, so wife had to do chores. Asked her if that buck showed up, she said no. Next morning went down to treat him, he was dead. I was just gonna dart him with Draxin for lack of knowing anything else I could do, and see how he responded.

Another 10 days or so goes by, and another buck, in the same pen as the 2nd buck that died, is standing around having a serious balance problem, and was also ''wild eyed''.

Went right home and got the dart gun and meds. I gave my normal dose of drugs when I have a sick deer down - wormer, BoSe, vita-ject, C&D anti-toxin, banamine, and gave him a heavy dose of Pen G per Scott's advice as well as my vet's. He came right out of it and is standing healthy in the pen today. I was told also that I should have given some Dex to him as well, but didn't have any at the time.

It appeared to me that all 3 bucks had the same thing. And towards the end, just prior to death they would/could appear to have back problems, but earlier on, the symtoms were more of a serious balance problem, a bit shakey, and wild eyed!

Don't know if this is the same thing, but thought I would share my story in case it was. I know whatever it was in my deer, it took them pretty quick.

Best of luck!

Upon reading Awesome Antlers' post below, it rung a bell with me that we may have given him some Thiamine as well, but not positive. Wife thinks she remembers going to the vet that day and picking some up.
 
I would also get some Thiamine into him. Don't believe it could hurt a thing, it might be a thiamine deficiency. Do a Thiame deficency search, I know there has been other discussions on this here. Good luck.
 
I vaccinated my Rosa with a Clostiridum perfigens (sp?) vaccine last summer. Dr. Shipley sent it to me from the Univ. of Illinois, along with the EHD vaccines. Wouldn't this protect our deer from such potential illness if exposed to the Clostridium bacteria?



Just hoping so...



See also: http://www.oie.int/doc/ged/D512.PDF



It worries me that some of the deer that are in adjacent pens to my deer's pen, are pooping weird looking pellets that are all connected with some kind of mucusy membrane. The pellets come out looking like a "string of (poop) pearls." very strange.



Has anyone ever seen this before?
 
Richard and Mark,



just curious had these deer with the symptoms been vaccinated with covexin/clostridium with in the last year?



Jerrilee Cave, DVM
 
Clearview Whitetails said:
Richard and Mark,



just curious had these deer with the symptoms been vaccinated with covexin/clostridium with in the last year?



Jerrilee Cave, DVM



Jerrilee - Without being home right now, I can't be sure, but I think this that you are talking about ''covexin/clostridium'' is the same thing as what is marked on my bottle at home in the fridg as ''Alpha 7''. It's a white liquid that is given in 2cc doses, no matter the size of the deer, fawn or adult.

At any rate, if this is the same stuff, and I believe it is - no, it definitely was NOT given within the last year, but it's likely, yet not for sure cause I'm not home to view records, that these deer did receive a dose, just not within the last year, as you had asked.
 
I know a LOT of guys lost deer the last couple months due to clostridium. What their vets are telling them is, You can vaccinate to prevent it but every deer still has it in their system. Its when they are under alot of stress, it triggers it. Once one starts showing symptoms, it can be transferred to other deer. Feed changes, weather changes, moving..... I know one farmer slone lost more than 30,000 dollars worth of deer in one week. He moved one in from oklahoma, she was stressed and triggered the clostridium, then it started spreading. Good Luck
 
Lanasvet said:
I vaccinated my Rosa with a Clostiridum perfigens (sp?) vaccine last summer. Dr. Shipley sent it to me from the Univ. of Illinois, along with the EHD vaccines. Wouldn't this protect our deer from such potential illness if exposed to the Clostridium bacteria?



Just hoping so...



See also: http://www.oie.int/doc/ged/D512.PDF



It worries me that some of the deer that are in adjacent pens to my deer's pen, are pooping weird looking pellets that are all connected with some kind of mucusy membrane. The pellets come out looking like a "string of (poop) pearls." very strange.



Has anyone ever seen this before?





You can vaccinate for it, but it is still in every deer from what the vets are saying. And the white mucusy membrane is a sign of clostridium, so I would keep a close eye on them. The important thing is to keep them stress free when treating for this.
 
The paralysis that you are describing makes me think it is Clostridium perfringes type A. Most of the 7 and 8 way shots take care of types b,c, and d but not A. When I have had fawns with this I usualy treat with Amoxil and chloramphenicol. The membrane is a sign of all of the clostridial infections.
 
I was always under the assumption that clostridia perfingens were found in the soil? and wet ground ,like the crazy wet summer we had here made it worse,that being said i lime my pens every year ,very heavy! Never had a problem yet! Knock on wood! mitch P and robbie petersen are very knowledgable on this subject!



Scott Neeb

www.chanllowfarms.com

In the heart of Pa dutch country
 
We keep Auromicine 4gr crumbles in our feed. It helps with stress and weather changes. We also top dress a little extra when ever the weather here makes big changes. Like 60+ all last week then rain and 30's and windy and now sunny and 30's today but callin for 50's on Tues. It really helps our herd we also bump it up when the bucks start to shed velvet or drop antlers.
 
Thank you all very much. This is very important information to me. Two of the deer have this mucusy membrane continuously in their stool, and today two other deer started to get dark blood in their stools. So far, my Rosa is fine, but I'm scared.



They sent off the stool samples today for testing. Will advise later.
 
mucus and blood are usually a sign of hookworm. another help with clostridium is Uniprim

it is a sulfadiazine/trimethoprim combo it is in powder form clostridium is sensitive to it

you can get it from vet.
 
for info on uniprim go to www.macleodphara.com, middle of page on the right click on product insert it will tell you everything it will treat, works great on e-coli, have used it for years, just top dress or put on a piece of apple.
 
Quit fooling around......10cc loading dose of Pen G (SQ) and 5cc Thiamine orally or SQ. Follow with 3cc PenG for 3 more days.