www.thehealthyherd.com

I saw this product on another management forum. It lifted my brow when it claimed it

Contained Deer Armour TM , an ingredient that in labatatory tests destroyed the prion protein that causes CWD! This is a mineral that sells for about $25 . Going to order some

for my deer, and use it when mixing feed. Jason DEER CREEK WHITETAILS

Can you post a link to the site with that claim? I would like to read up on it a bit.

To me the disclaimer says it all.



*Disclaimer: In some states it may be illegal to use this product to attract wild game for hunting. Please follow all state laws and local ordinances regarding the feeding and baiting of deer. Although an ingredient in Deer ArmourTM has been proven in in-vitro laboratory experiments to degrade and destroy the disease-associated prion protein, no direct studies have tested the efficacy of Deer ArmourTM in this manner by either ingestion or any other method. Thus, no warranty of the effectiveness of Deer ArmourTM in degrading or destroying the disease-associated prion protein or CWD, expressed or implied, is given.

Yeah Gaylen I agree....just another thing to make money on those concerned about the CWD....if they can't warrant their product it's no good.

Gaylen C said:

To me the disclaimer says it all.



*Disclaimer: In some states it may be illegal to use this product to attract wild game for hunting. Please follow all state laws and local ordinances regarding the feeding and baiting of deer. Although an ingredient in Deer ArmourTM has been proven in in-vitro laboratory experiments to degrade and destroy the disease-associated prion protein, no direct studies have tested the efficacy of Deer ArmourTM in this manner by either ingestion or any other method. Thus, no warranty of the effectiveness of Deer ArmourTM in degrading or destroying the disease-associated prion protein or CWD, expressed or implied, is given.

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Many "drugs" use in vitro data to promote their efficacy... including those used in humans. It would be next to impossible to substantiate the in vitro data in live clinical studies in whitetails.

My take on it is that the in vitro efficacy is promising, but certainly not a "cure all" to wipe away any concerns about CWD.

Keep in mind this is a mineral supplement only. Im sure this product is as good as the next when it comes to minerals

Jason we should buy this product and Put it in a shiney plastic bucket.........................Put a Big Ol Deer on the Label and charge $125 a bucket for it and we will sell out! Lmao

WillPenn Whitetails said:

Many "drugs" use in vitro data to promote their efficacy... including those used in humans. It would be next to impossible to substantiate the in vitro data in live clinical studies in whitetails.

My take on it is that the in vitro efficacy is promising, but certainly not a "cure all" to wipe away any concerns about CWD.

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mike, can you put that in to lay mens terms

Laymens Terms:

This stuff won't hurt your deer and if you believe in the tooth fairy, it will prevent and cure CWD. This stuff is designed to reverse the laws of physics and can actually destroy protiens, which cannot be destroyed by nuclear explosions.



Show me the data and the test procedure and I will make a determination from that.

Hi guys,

I saw your posts and I want to comment to assure you that the products of The Healthy Herd are not "reversing the laws of physics" and are actually scientifically proven. I have put significant research into the development of our Deer Armour, which does exactly as I claim. It has been proven in in-vitro deer specific laboratory experiments to degrade and destroy the disease-associated prion protein, which is believed to be the etiological cause of CWD. The active ingredient in the Deer Armour formula destroys these prion proteins (and no, it isn't bleach or some ridiculous ingredient). I can not yet make the claim that it will cure CWD as I do not have the in-vivo evidence to back this up, yet. Do I believe it can/will, "yes, I believe so". This will likely come down to Deer Armour's ability to cross the blood brain barrier, which looks promising (and first-pass metabolism will also likely have a role). We do not have all of the answers to this yet. Do I believe at a minimum it will at least prevent the spread of CWD? "Absolutely 100%". Because this is such a controversial and "hot" topic I have to be cautious and specific with my claim because of the great deal of liability involved, thus the forementioned disclaimer. I hope you can try to understand this. I have already answered queries from the Wisconsin Natural Resources Board and a member on the Wildlife Management Institute without hesitation. I understand people's skepticism, but I can assure you I have a great line of products. I hope this helps clear this up for you.

Even if you don't want to believe in the potential effectiveness of the Deer Armour in my products, you cannot deny the superior effectiveness of my deer mineral formula as an attractant and for growing healthier deer (and specifically bigger racks). My product has recently gone public and we are already receiving numerous EXTREMELY POSITIVE reports on its actions as an attractant. I am willing and ready to put my formula head to head with any other product on the market and am confident it will work as well as or better than any of the competition.

Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Sincerely,

Roger Spear PharmD

owner- The Healthy Herd

Thanks Roger for your post. I am curious though how you managed to find this thread on this forum? Since i started this thread of course- Jason

Roger



Just curious how many deer you have in the herd that you raise and how the product has worked on your personal deer farm?



Also what genetic lines do you use and what are your thoughts on standard vs sexed semen and Lap AI vs standard AI in the captive Whitetail species?

Hi Jason,

I completed a google search on my company and came across several forum posts including this one. I felt it best I respond to these posts directly.



Hi Mark, I do not own a deer farm and have little to no knowledge on the specifics of AI in captive deer herds. The testing was performed independently, and not by myself, on the prion infected deer tissues in an in-vitro environment. The testing has not occurred yet on a deer farm or in an in-vivo environment. I am learning it seems there are too many barriers to allow this to happen.



Thanks,

Roger

I have kept a fairly good file on almost all types of research related to CWD. Could you please list the research done that is associated with this product so we can all read the research and look at the data associated with it.



I have found that most CWD research is in fact very "UN-scientific". If this research is in fact scientific we would all like to see it and offer it up to all of our state and federal agencies. It could lead to other research that could very well help us all. I just have not run across anything like this in my searches through most of the literature on CWD.



Thanks in advance! - Sam James