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dearjohn said:
from deer-forums .com under big buck

"That's MF, a texas buck, semen sells for $7,000 or better a straw yet there really havent been a lot of great sons of his shown up..."...

There are no real guarantees
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There are certainly no guarantees for anything when you are talking about breeding. However, when you breed (particularly line-breed) deer for proven passdown of desirable traits (different for everyone, but I love huge frames and width personally) you certainly increase your odds dramatically for producing those traits versus blindly breeding buck A to doe B and hoping for the best.
 
WillPenn Whitetails said:
There are certainly no guarantees for anything when you are talking about breeding. However, when you breed (particularly line-breed) deer for proven passdown of desirable traits (different for everyone, but I love huge frames and width personally) you certainly increase your odds dramatically for producing those traits versus blindly breeding buck A to doe B and hoping for the best.
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Well doe b would probably have some family tree because everyone have been using straws. Most people look like their mothers.
 
I shot this buck in west virginia on their opener(this past Monday), est. him to be a 4 year old mountain buck, last year I shot one in the same spot, sent the teeth to be checked for age and he turned out to be 5 1/2 yr. old. but his antlers were a little smaller than this ones. They were both a thrill to shoot, and tasted good.

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ever wonder how much bigger he would have been ,body and rack , if he was eating deer chow for 3 years.

also good job at hunting.
 
dearjohn said:
Well doe b would probably have some family tree because everyone have been using straws. Most people look like their mothers.
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Having a "family tree" does little to nothing for predictability and consistency. That's why I mentioned line-breeding. Yes some lines are more dominant than others, but just because a deer has a pedigree doesn't mean it will lead to predictable results. Line-breeding however can and often does lead to predictable results. It's not perfect, and it does have its drawbacks, but it's probably the best we have right now.

Just my 2 cents worth.
 
While linebreeding is less likely to cause problems in the first generation than does inbreeding, over time, linebreeding can reduce the genetic diversity of a population and cause problems related to a too-small genepool that may include an increased prevalence of genetic disorders and inbreeding depression. It's not nice to fool Mother Nature.

I googled that
 
You can google pretty much anything these days... that doesn't mean it's true. But thanks for giving credit to your source. I'm not looking to debate line-breeding, just offering up some thoughts based on first hand experience. Good luck with your breeding program.
 
Sorry I guess I should have stated it before, I found it in , "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linebreeding" I didnt know what it ment.
 
Back to to the subject of this thread, My son and I scored on a couple nice central Ohio bucks this year. They are not monsters like we are used to seeing in our pens, but in 32 years of hunting wild deer they are better than any I've been able to harvest before. Mine scored 152", shot on November 1st. Ryan got his on November 13 and it scored 143".
 

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How much bigger do you think they would have been if they were eating the same stuff as the penned deer .
 
We have good genetics and plenty of food in this part of ohio, but I'm sure we could put some more inches on them if they were in a pen. We are very happy with them, any mature buck harvested with a bow is a good trophy. Unfortunately the area we hunt primarily produces 8 point frames, a couple 5 or 6 inch g4's would have made these two even more impressive.
 
Would this buck be what we are trying to grow?

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Southern Illinois bow kill. 190+ est 5 years old. G 2's and 3's are 12 and 13 inches long.
 

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I've hunted S Illinois and west Kentucky for years. I must be in the wrong place. Those last two are studs. Deer of a lifetime. Now that you have yours just let me know when I need to be there. Lol
 
Both of those bucks are awesome! I would have thought I died and went to heaven if that happened to me.



Johnny B
 

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