Great Lakes Classic Auction Catalog

The Catalog for the Great Lakes Classic Auction that will be held August 16, 17 & 18 – 2012 is available for your viewing on http://www.whitetaildeerfarmer.com/YoderAuctions.htm

For those interested, I will have Rolling Timber for sale at this auction in the trophy buck platform PLUS, choice Rolling Timber buck fawn during the buck fawn bonanza!



Rolling Timber is a 4 year old Rocky Roller/Timberghost, awesome producer! These pictures are from the 25th, but I'll update them in a few days as he keeps pouring it on.

Looks to be a pretty darn good auction!..................But I DON"T like the 8% internet charge! Just my 2 cents

Whitetail Sanctuary said:

Looks to be a pretty darn good auction!..................But I DON"T like the 8% internet charge! Just my 2 cents

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I haven't personally seen where this is mentioned, but I'd have to agree with Wayne. Love your auctions John, but adding 8% for an online bidder certainly won't help the sales.

Mike it's going to be added to ALL the internet sales this season..................Or thats the word on the street!

Whitetail Sanctuary said:

Mike it's going to be added to ALL the internet sales this season..................Or thats the word on the street!

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I know one sale that it will never be added!!! I liked a lot on fridays sale and was going to put a proxy bid but i believe i will hold off. I like the idea of trying to get people to the sales but for some that have jobs and cant yank a thur,fri off to get to the sale are beat!! I would think it would be better to atleast get the sale rather than punish an internet bidder. I bet it will show!!

I would like to take a few minutes and try to explain some of the reasoning behind the new online premium. I am sure once many of you hear the actual details your view of the premium will change. Always in the past there has been no extra charge for online purchases. The deer farmer who puts in the effort to attend the sale easily invests a few hundred dollars with days off work, travel and lodging expenses etc while the online buyer had absolutely no cost. This has resulted in many people simply bidding online rather than attending in person. In a sense the person who put in the effort to be there was being penalized while the online buyer didn't pay a dime. This summer most of the major auction companies got together and decided there must be a way to improve this. After discussing the issue with all the auction companies the group came up with the idea of charging a buyer's premium on online purchases and giving half of it to the seller if he is present at the auction. The other half will go to providing the very best online broadcasting available, which costs thousands of dollars for each auction. The new rule is not meant to penalize online buyers at all but to keep the seller that cares enough about his deer to attend the auction from the burden of paying for all the travel expanses alone like he has had to do in the past.

Mark is this extra charge on top of the normal 10% which would make it an 18% charge to online bidders? Also where would the money go if the farmer that sells infact is not at the sale. Myself, I feel this might not be taken with open arms because you also have bidders that have jobs and cant make alot of the sales. I agree with the idea of what you are trying to do but if you lose alot of online bidders it very well could hurt the seller in the long run. Kinda a double edge sword i guess!!

Not sure where you get the 10% charge. We have never charged online buyers 10%. The 8% charge is the only charge for online buyers that i know of.

buckeyewta said:

Not sure where you get the 10% charge. We have never charged online buyers 10%. The 8% charge is the only charge for online buyers that i know of.

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Yup my bad.. I was thinking,talking and typing about the Ny auction all at the same time. No multi-tasking for me.. lol.. What did you guys come up with on the 4% if the seller is not at the sale? Would that be sent to them or would that go to the DV auction charge?

The seller will not get the 4% if he is not there. The whole idea of this is to get people to be there. Would love to hear more comments from other people. We need all the feedback we can get positive or negative.

I just know with me personally it's very difficult to get to auctions because we have so much work going on & besides until you pay for travel, hotels, loss of work, etc combined with the lower auction prices you would probably make more money staying at home and working! It's nice to take a small break from work to bid on a deer you like instead of sitting through an entire sale. I know without online bidding I wouldn't have hardly bought a deer in the last 4 years. That takes out a lot of bidders, probably more than that 8% tax for online buyers. Just a few thoughts...

I see it both ways! However we dont want to loose our auction room crowds! So i kinda like the idea, but i can't get to all the auctions myself and it is gonna hurt the pocket

coldspring whitetails said:

I see it both ways! However we dont want to loose our auction room crowds! So i kinda like the idea, but i can't get to all the auctions myself and it is gonna hurt the pocket

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You are spot on. I totally oppose any new charges that have to be made but at the same time it is kinda cool to reward someone that puts in the effort and spends the money to be there. An auction with a big crowd is simply a lot more fun for everyone.

Mark, I see everyones point here. But I also remember not to long ago...............The same folks telling me how much the internet and on-line buyers were going to help. I just don't think with the economy,feed prices and for some of us the uncertainty of how long we can keep holding on and in the case of my state and new developments ongoing here in Mo. may just be to much to!

So if I got it all correct, the auction company will make 14% if an item sells online with the seller present and 18% if an item sells with seller not present ?

Here is my opinion for what it's worth. I understand the thought process behind trying to incentivize attendance to the auctions, as this is the stated purpose of this fee. With that said, I personally don't like this change and also don't think it is a good thing. I personally have a very demanding job that I have very little time off of during a year. The little time off I feel it's important to spend time with my young family (and yes I know I could try and bring them) but also need that time to catch up on things at the house and farm. I try to at least attend our state sale but for example last year it was the same date as my sons first birthday party so an easy decision was made to not attend the sale. I don't have the luxury of time off to run around the country and attend sales that have lots of interest to me, and some of those lots are from here in my home state! I know last year I actively followed/bid on at least 8-10 auctions via the Internet. This extra charge without question will greatly influence, negatively, my activity on these auctions. If I am one of many who will lessen online bidding, that will negatively impact the prices (less overall bidders) that could make up that 8% easily, if not more. We all know the best price a seller will get is if there are multiple interested bidders active on there lot, and if this cuts the number of bidders then lower praises could be the consequence. Let's say there is a semen lot in a sale 12 hours from my home that I'm interested in, I am certainly not gonna drive to that sale with the hopes of getting it and saving that 8% and possibly come home empty handed, i'll just try and find another way to obtain that semen. Bottom line for ME is, I will definitely not be actively bidding on lots at auctions this year due to this addition fee.

I also don't really agree with adding the extra charge. As for me it is tough to get away as I own a sports bar/ night club, an ATM business, and also take care of our 150 acre farm. It is a lot easier for me to run and jump on a computer for an half hour to bid on a deer than it is for me to get in my truck and head to an auction for 2 days. I do understand your idea behind the whole thing but in these days we need to just be happy if we can sell deer whether someone is attending an event or not. I also have purchased a number of my deer off of the internet bidding an just personally feel you will see a decrease in online sales. Hope I didn't offend anyone cause that is not my intention, just my opinion.

Thank you,

Another issue is the no sale fee. It seems the fee's keep going up. I know ya gotta go with the times but $200 and up seems kinda high. Now with this extra online charge it very well might be harder for the farmer to sell his deer even though he is at the auction. It just might hurt the farmer instead of helpin him.

I understand that there are costs to the online bidding with the set up charges and all....I also understand people that attend have traveling expenses....however, 8% seems a bit excessive and will deter a lot of people from bidding online thus hurting the sellers and the auctions profits. I guess it will have to be a wait and see thing......just my thoughts....