Glad to hear from all of ya'll.The reason i ask I'm in Texas where we have ben behind on all of the inches.I have not tried to grow the typicals just can't get away from them now i don't know if i want to.i have the buck EDDIE RAY he has been 236'' to 265'' gross @ 2,3,4,&5, he has been 212'' to 220'' typical not what i consider a true typical.I was disappointed this year in his 2 y.o.s they just didn't have the inches ,they were overlooked by me and others because they were in the same pen with a lot bigger non typical deer.I sold one of his 2 y.o.s to Trophies Unlimited Wt's for a back up buck he grossed 210'' and netted around 204'' don't remember ,did not keep the score.Since 1 other 2 y.o. shed he grossed 189'' and netted 186'' had 1 inch non typical kicker on each side and measured less than 1'' side by side on a 5x5 mainframe.have had 1 yearling shed 5x6 mainframe he grossed 177'' netted 173 had a 4'' g-5 on one side.I have not read the cards till now . I have other 1 & 2 y.o.s that look like they are going to do the same thing out of does that are no part of typical.As soon as my wife this am diggs out pictures & pedigrees i will post them and let you be the judges thanks brian