2014 Chupp's auction results are in!

Does the fact it is animal quarantine only fit the USDA standards and make PA complient with the USDA standards??? I'm not trying to start anything but why would a state let anyone import from PA if that's the case. Now if we had live tests that would be different. Who wants to take the risk??? I could see allowing it if the animal was isolated.

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If a single animal is quarantined in PA they do not have to be isolated. The deer can not be moved off the farm until she is off quarantine but you can sell fawns out of a quarantined mother. Nothing changes at all with the other deer that are on the farm, tbey can be sold to whomever.
Tyler, are you sure? I was quarantined for a single animal two or three years ago. The ag came and posted a quarantine order on my building. I was absolutely forbidden to do any sales or purchases until the animal was dead and tested. The longer I would wait, the longer it takes to get off quarantine.

The ag was going to send someone to kill her, to which I replied, heck no! I would never trust them with a weapon in my pen. So my ag lady had to watch over my shoulder (to be sure I was indeed killing the correct doe) while I killed my doe with a bow. Then she took the head and was on her way. Nothing against my ag lady, I couldnt ask for a kinder, easier to work with woman, it's just the process is crude.

Yes Im sure. Must be new. Call Mary Martin (Dept of Ag) and check. A single animal quarantine does not effect the rest of your herd.

Ok, hopefully I am never quarantined again, but I am curious about that so I may give her a call.

Tyler is right,if u have a single animal quarantined,u can still move the rest of your animals,and she does not have to be isolated!

I can see moving bucks to preserves but other animals around from farm to farm doesn't really make sense. We all know what CWD is and the risk but IF and that is a big IF you get it you are done. I cant imagine anyone wanting a breeder from a farm that is on quarantine the way the rules stand now. Is this kind of information being conveyed at the sales????? if I bought an animal and found that out after the fact I could tell you how some kind of pi$$ed I would be.

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Tyler is right,if u have a single animal quarantined,u can still move the rest of your animals,and she does not have to be isolated!




Really this is true. They do not isolate the deer in question and let other deer that have touched noses and butt's with that same possible CWD positive deer leave the farm?  What good does that do?  What happens if the farmer in question has that said quarantined deer for years before it dies, operates as business as usual and sells say 30 deer to other farms that were with that deer and then that deer ends up positive?


 


This sounds like what someone on here the other day about Patty and whomever know what they are doing and are going to use all the trace outs to close us all down!!!  I'm sorry and i know all about what this stupid CWD  isnt but if someone has a suspect animal on their farm and they dont want to test it then they should have a suspect herd with no movements at all.  This plays right into their hands.

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I can see moving bucks to preserves but other animals around from farm to farm doesn't really make sense. We all know what CWD is and the risk but IF and that is a big IF you get it you are done. I cant imagine anyone wanting a breeder from a farm that is on quarantine the way the rules stand now. Is this kind of information being conveyed at the sales????? if I bought an animal and found that out after the fact I could tell you how some kind of pi$$ed I would be.




Yes i could see lawsuits against auction companies for that one. Everyone needs to be made aware of any questionable sales. Im sure the auction made it duly noted for all to hear.

Mike,
sure seems that way doesn't it. Make as many farms quarantined as possible to put everyone out of business. What is the use of a quarantine if the animal is not isolated from the rest of the herd?????

Many farms had single quarantines. Thats about how all the trace outs from the case in Wisconsin were handled.

"I (40,40,40); t all worked out great. That deer has since been tested and we are all good."


 


Ok, lets say you moved your deer from the single  (40,40,40); quarantine, and then found out that the test came back positive? How great would that be? I don't understand why the whole herd wouldn't be quarantined until the single was tested? I don't understand the effectiveness of a single quarantine. I don't understand why you would move a deer from a single quarantine knowing that there is a chance it could carry over to your non quarantined herd. There seems to be a lot of risk involved in moving animals from a farm that has an individual quarantine. Does the PA department of Ag only list whole herd quarantines? How does a person know if they are buying from a herd that has a single quarantine?

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Makes know difference if the animal is isolated or not. That animal all ready made nose to nose contact and ect. What would be the use to isolate them? I moved deer from a heard that had a single quarantine. It all worked out great. That deer has since been tested and we are all good. I'm extremely thankful it was handled that way or I wouldn't have been able to get my deer.




You got very lucky my friend. If that deer WAS positive then you would now be part of their web and you would have brought down anyone YOU would have sold deer to after that said deer hit your farm. I bet you or those folks would be singing a different tune then. Glad it worked out for all, This Time!


 


Seems Pa has rules that play right into the hands of those that want us shut down.

The department of agriculture in any state can tell you if you ask. They are not requiring the single deer to be tested. If a person decides to hang on to them for several years they can. At that point the quarantine is lifted. I don't have any but that's they way I understand it with the questions I have asked.

The reason for isolation at least here is Wisconsin is based on more testing. It is required that if an animal dies in the pen with the quarantined animal, no matter its age be tested. It could be a two day old fawn or an animal that is above the 12 month requirement.

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"I (40,40,40); t all worked out great. That deer has since been tested and we are all good."


 


Ok, lets say you moved your deer from the single  (40,40,40); quarantine, and then found out that the test came back positive? How great would that be? I don't understand why the whole herd wouldn't be quarantined until the single was tested? I don't understand the effectiveness of a single quarantine. I don't understand why you would move a deer from a single quarantine knowing that there is a chance it could carry over to your non quarantined herd. There seems to be a lot of risk involved in moving animals from a farm that has an individual quarantine. Does the PA department of Ag only list whole herd quarantines? How does a person know if they are buying from a herd that has a single quarantine?




You are right, If the farmer or the auction company did not open up that page you would never know until after the fact.  Not a good rule/law for sure. Its either full farm or single animal that was never in with a new herd.  Well that is if other farmers are more worried about keeping everyone clean more than they are about making a sale!!

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The reason for isolation at least here is Wisconsin is based on more testing. It is required that if an animal dies in the pen with the quarantined animal, no matter its age be tested. It could be a two day old fawn or an animal that is above the 12 month requirement.




So you guys can also sell any animal that is in contact with that..POSSIBLE CWD INFECTED DEER WHICH IS WHY IT IS UNDER LOCK DOWN TO BEGIN WITH deer also?  

Can not help you with that. Never would I even try something like that, so I have never bothered to ask the state.

Once again off topic. This is auction results thread.