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anyone have problems with TOLOZINE reverser?

wvdeerman

wvdeerman

Joined Apr 2009
519 Posts | 1+
Rivesville, WV
Has anyone had any problems with reversing their deer?



I have been darting does and fawns for the past week. Sorting fawns, tagging and vaccinating does and inserting cidr's or putting them in their breeding pens. The first round of deer went well...no problems.



When I started the second round I also had to open a new bottle of Tolozine reverser. The deer darted those days have been VERY slow to wake up and even still groggy the next morning. I had one fawn that was up walking around 2 hours before dark, but I found her dead the next morning from bloat. The second fawn darted the same night, was still very groggy the next morning.



Could my tolozine be a bad mix?
 
Jack, With the way human medicine is being recalled you could have a bad batch. I have used it since it hit the market and never had a problem. Are you doubling the tolazine over what you trank with.
 
I'd say NO

Secondary infection from an unknown source.



The meds. we use are highly regulated and the entire industry use them.
 
We have had no problems! Remember to go by the directions! Alot of guys just double the dose from what they darted with but at times thats not enough.
 
Double the dose??



I've always heard and used ''matching the dose'', and have experienced deer up and going rather quickly.



Hey, not saying doubling the dose is wrong...if there have been no adverse affects from it, then it must be ok.

I'm just saying, when using Tolazine, I've always reversed by matching the amount I used to put one down, and they are normally up and going in 15 minutes or so...some quicker, some a bit longer.



I know that when you use Yohimbine you are suppose to double it...but that stuff sucks even when you do double that.
 
wvdeerman we have had the same thing happen. One bottle works great and the next they are slow getting up and droopy. Could be why they shut production down for awhile.
 
Jack,

You know your deer....you know how they respond to the drugs....if they seem they are sluggish to you something is wrong.........yes there are directions on the bottle and yes they are there for a reason....but if your animals are not responding as they have in the past you can be sure something is wrong with the drug...I would contact your vet and ask for a new bottle.....and tell him the issues you are having.....I mean look at the stuff that is going on with the steroid shots / and humans with the meningitis.....if it can go wrong in our drugs it can certainly go wrong in our animals.....good luck bud!
 
I find that response time to antagonist is directly proportional to the mixture of the sedative. If not completely soluable the telazol will be varying in strength per dose.
 
Tolazine is the reverser for the telazol/xylazine cocktail. For darting our deer we use 1cc 4:1 cocktail to dart our does and we reverse them with 3cc. Our more crazy wild does we dart them with 1-1/2cc and reverse with 3cc. Hope this helps.
 
telazol is commonly used in conjunction with xylazine to sedate deer. Tolazine is commonly used to reverse a sedation. The problem is that Tolazine does not reverse telazol. What I am trying to say is that if you have a "slug" of telazol in your dart, reversal times will vary widely. I know alot of you reverse as soon as you can, but if the telazol concentration is not allowed to diminish with time, your reversal may be delayed.
 
If the deer is calm when it goes down it is slower to wake. If it is all worked up it will wake up faster and may have a hangover for several hours it all goes down to the deer and how hard it was to dart it. Wether or not you ran it or just walked up and darted.
 
Scott Heinrich said:
I find that response time to antagonist is directly proportional to the mixture of the sedative. If not completely soluable the telazol will be varying in strength per dose.
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Well Scott,..DUH! I never said I used telazol. I used straight single strength xylezene.
 
Guys I know what tolazine...telazol...and xylazine are I was just pointing out what Jacks question was...but thanks for the clarification......I do mean that......thanks...
 
I had used regular strenght xylazine and reversed with double the dose of tolozine. Just like I have been doing for 12 years. No telazol. For the adult does I used a 1cc dart and the fawns were bottle raised so they got a 1/4cc injection with a syringe.



I have been raising deer for 12 years and have darted several hundred deer in those days. I feel that I know what I am doing. I also have a VERY calm herd and know all of my 22 animals and their personalities with precision. Even most of my mother raised deer will eat from my hand. There is NO ONE in the business that knows their animals better than I know mine. I know exactly how each acts on an average day and can tell when they are slightly off their game. When I say something isn't right, I'm not joking.



Thanks for all your helps guys. Atleast most of you. Scott, I could have went without the smartass remark and the DUH! Not a very respectful response to someone that is asking for help after losing a deer. I expected a lot better from you. Apprently you may not be the person I respected you to be.



That is the very reason I don't spend much time on these forums anymore. Too many smartasses and big shot attitudes. Would you really say something like that to my face? People really need to talk with more respect or not talk at all.



Russell should give some classes in etiquette and make them mandatory for ALL users.
 
wvdeerman said:
I had used regular strenght xylazine and reversed with double the dose of tolozine. Just like I have been doing for 12 years. No telazol. For the adult does I used a 1cc dart and the fawns were bottle raised so they got a 1/4cc injection with a syringe.



I have been raising deer for 12 years and have darted several hundred deer in those days. I feel that I know what I am doing. I also have a VERY calm herd and know all of my 22 animals and their personalities with precision. Even most of my mother raised deer will eat from my hand. There is NO ONE in the business that knows their animals better than I know mine. I know exactly how each acts on an average day and can tell when they are slightly off their game. When I say something isn't right, I'm not joking.



Thanks for all your helps guys. Atleast most of you. Scott, I could have went without the smartass remark and the DUH! Not a very respectful response to someone that is asking for help after losing a deer. I expected a lot better from you. Apprently you may not be the person I respected you to be.



That is the very reason I don't spend much time on these forums anymore. Too many smartasses and big shot attitudes. Would you really say something like that to my face? People really need to talk with more respect or not talk at all.



Russell should give some classes in etiquette and make them mandatory for ALL users.
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Jack do your deer go OUT with just the 1cc and no telazol. If so maybe i should try that with mine for say removing cidrs or a fast move to another pen!
 
Yes, most of my deer go out with 1cc straight xylazine. Some of them require 1.5cc at times. I usually know which ones have given me problems in the past. Even some of them are more stubborn so I may need to use telazol at times...but those issues are rare. If I have a rare occasion that a deer won't go out, I give it a 1cc shot of ketamine and the game is over. Ketamine is much cheaper than telazol and wears off a lot faster.



BUT, like I said most of my deer are very calm. I also know some bloodlines don't go out easily. I have had some of those here in the past. Basically, I have learned through trial and error with many of my deer, which ones take what dosage. Some take a little and some take more. I hope this helps, Good Luck.
 
Jack,

I also am able to use straight xylazine. but I Give most of my does 150-200mg. I also give Ketamine with a pole syringe if they try to "walk it off".

Just wanted to let you know, you're not alone.
 

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